Alright, it’s time for the gut check project with your host, Dr. Kim Brown, MD. I’m Eric Rieger. We got Jeff Collins on the board and Chef Patrick in the booth at GCP. We all check our ego at the door and nothing is off the table. It’s episode number 10. We’re now in double digits. Wow. We just said 10. That’s awesome. Nothing off the table. I think we got something really cool going on for the show today, our guest we’re going to start talking animal health. That’s a new one for us. It is a brand new one for us. And it’s more than just animal health. I mean, you can actually excuse me, you can actually help people all around the world by engaging with our guests company. And of course we’re talking about Robo Hendrickson, co founder of full bucket health and full bucket is a company that is taking action with innovation and charity and making tangible differences all over the world. They have a parent company called animal stewards International. Couple other small companies under that umbrella, but regardless robo is going to be, he’s gonna be a fantastic guest we’re going to show our audience that if you you’ve come accustomed to what we’ve been doing sit tight, things are going to change a little bit. It’s gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, he’s gonna bring a lot of different stories to the table here. He’s been a lot of different industries and, you know, actually, you know, health, animal health, human health, there’s a lot of overlap, including things like CBD. So this is, it’s going to be a really cool topic. I can’t wait to pick his brain we know and he’s here to show how they can make it easy for you to help impoverished people from all corners of the world, basically, for access small is just feeding your pets. It sounds kind of wild to say but full bucket health is a high level research company for animal health. And they have a passion for helping all animals, pets working livestock. They know that in many parts of our planet that people depend upon the health, the contributions of animals and to carry out daily living. Robo and his team have created a very humane initiative. Tell those animals and on top of all that he’s actually funny as hell so
and then in this first half hour also I came across a really cool article linking we always talking about the brain got access now the science is starting to catch up to give the mechanisms of how this is so I can’t wait to get to that that one it’s it’s pretty intense
i know i know i just i found that actually done right around the corner over here at Texas Christian University and just published this month
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We should run a contest. To see how many Atrantil boxes or capsules can fit into the big one, and do a real big winner, mean something cool something? I don’t know. I tell you what to come up with that. And you know what? We’ll do that let’s let’s talk about maybe even the break maybe before the end of the show, we’re going to come out with a contest that any viewer listener can guess.
Yeah, well, we’ll figure that part out. And we’ll we’ll get back to you know, some
of our other I mean, I’m sure we can get some really cool. We can make a nice box where somebody could get a lot of the cool stuff that other hosts that’s boonie radio, possibly Mojo five. Oh, speaking of box, we got an
important call today to finalize something here, don’t we?
We do have a box with a box. We have a call. A very important call to finalize a few things about the box today. Once you go ahead and take 10
Well, we’re got last week, we had Jay Yepuri on that was talking about the DHAT member box, the DHAT health box. We’re finalizing a few things on that and we just came back from Scottsdale where we were with JJ virgin And she offered to be on a call with us today to try and just make sure that we’re doing everything correctly, because she’s so experienced at doing that with her other brand. And she’s been doing it, which I think is super cool. So today we’re going to try and get some business advice from JJ on how to do this properly so that everyone benefits the one thing that I can tell you that she puts as a priority in terms of how she handles people that buy things from her. All of the health things that she delivers, she makes sure that everything is true to its word, and that customer service is priority. So that’s definitely what she’s trying to make certain that the head does. It’s funny, because that reminds me of an email that I got from Dana. She’s interested in the chat box, she actually wrote a joke and said is the gigantic ultra deal going to fit in there? I highly doubt it kind of laughed, but she did want to know when does it launch? And can I sign up a family member, which is not really something that we covered last week, but
yes, Dana, thank you and I did write you back but for those others who had similar questions, you just simply have to go to DHAT box.com and you will be given The information right away as soon as they launch, which may be as early as next week. I believe there’s two small negotiations, I think is what he had said that they’re doing to make sure they have it all put together but amazing service that they’re really giving to their patients. Yeah.
And so the only thing that I really want to do for my partners is maybe just do a quick little webinars so that the employees so that if you happen to be local, and you go in and see your doctor and ask about it, the employees that you know, front desk, people, the medical assistance, will know all about the box as well so that everybody can be part of a team to really help and like we discussed last week, change the health landscape in a city. That’s what I think is the coolest thing that we’re going to be able to do if we can do it here in city of almost 8 million people or a metro area that many people we know that as a sample size, you can take that everywhere. So that’ll be that’ll be very exciting. Yeah. So what you did last weekend, so I kind of mentioned real briefly that we’re with JJ virgin this past weekend, we were actually in Scottsdale for our health care. entrepreneur group known as the mindshare mastermind group, I love hanging with all these people that are so smart, so cool. And something. You know, we talked to a lot of people I met somebody who I’m a big fan of Dr. Terry walls. She’s so brilliant. Yeah, she wrote the walls protocol. And my good friend Linda Snyder introduced me to her Oh, man two years ago, because she said, You have to read this book. She actually suffers from something kind of similar to Ms that Dr. Walls has essentially treated with diet using this protocol. Right. Linda actually has a form of a taxi. And she said that using the diet protocol as well. And so I’ve been familiar with the doctor walls for a long time. So it was really cool to hang with her and talk a little bit. And I think one of the coolest things is that with this big group of super smart people. There was an impromptu band formed with the masterminds now and let me see if I can get this without getting a glare on it. Yeah,
so I have not seen
this video I know he has not this actually is off my phone
we are going to if you’re listening
Is that fair? That’s just a warm up
Hold on there it is
right there is co host Eric Rieger on the drama ripping was no practice at all.
Yeah, that actually was
it’s really funny. So you busted during the warm up. That’s nice. Well, I do have a Scott Antwan on the base there.
On the base, we had Darin Ingles. Now this is maybe this is this is as the night went on, you guys finally started to play.
So that’s what happens when you get super smart people and just throw some instruments around. They’re like, yeah, I used to play that 20 years ago.
Let me give it a shot. Apparently now we’re hosting a throwback radio show. So yeah, really? No, that’s that’s awesome. I had a I had a blast doing that with those folks. If you’re a musician, once musician, you always want to get together and jam. So that was done. That was tons of fun. So I really appreciate the call. Okay. Jerry Bailey putting that together, man that was that was that was fun to do that. Sammy on guitar. Goodness gracious guy can rip as awesome.
Yeah, I love that. So yeah, you guys did an incredible job was really fun doing that. Going to the mastermind? That was awesome. What else did I do? I was on Debbie Potts is the whole athlete podcast. I was fun. Yeah, he’s really cool. As it turns out, she’s going to be in the mastermind. I believe we were discussing that. And if you’re
in the whole health and you’re into athletics, her her podcast is quite interesting. It’s pretty awesome. whole whole athlete, correct.
Yes, it’s called the whole athlete, Debbie Potts. So other than that, as far as the family just We’re in that star test season that’s kind of what the kids talk about oh they got to do this star test oh yeah
if you’re in Texas it’s ridiculous so don’t don’t bother standardized
you want to go to sleep look it up online it’s awesome
so but everything else is going cool from our standpoint How about you
everything’s good trip to Arizona was terrific. Great to rekindle with a lot of those great friendships and keep the business minds aligned so that you know that you’re serving your people well but way home you’re with me I slipped my phone into my pocket lost it in an Uber big shout out to Stefan Uber driver from Phoenix. Thank you for overnighting my phone to me because that was that was nice, but I will say I took a break from the phone for a whole two days not a bad kind of like to kind of liked it a lot. So if you ever feel like yourself, getting a little overwhelmed put your phone on silence and go somewhere else is two days away went to bed
you know how they were talking about what if we go back to Austin for the for another mastermind. I think they’re looking at Hotel Marvel, I think okay, anyways, I looked it up They’ve got a whole like, like phone free hotel campus. Oh wow, you can just lock it up and put it in a sleeping bag. And so then they just sort of take your
phone from you so you can just disconnect you
know last time I went to jack white concert they had us put our phone so you won’t take video and you won’t take photos while I’m on the stage and have you put I can’t even what they call it a cue bag or something like that.
But you basically put it in this pouch you keep it can’t get phone out. It’s awesome. It makes everybody be in the moment. Oh, yeah, it’s really really cool. So other things that happened I came home and I don’t know if you know this or not, but actually you do I know. I know. You know but listeners you may not know this my wife, I lovely wife. She likes to run a menagerie at our house. So I came home to another new dog. And I haven’t even told Ken about this yet but yes, a nice little Aussie came running down the stairs and I thought I look at that.
an Aussie. Yeah. Yeah, the little I think it is. I’m really bad at recognizing specific breeds. But regardless, yeah, he’s a pretty cool dog. He’s already two years old, but a Apparently his owner lost him my wife contacted contacted her she’s she’s elderly can’t can’t keep her so boys have already named him about seven different names and we’re traveling I have a feeling that he’s he’s now a permanent fixture and then speaking of marine and podcast and of Wise County, Texas if you’ve ever heard of aider from Decatur county see the wise while your role craps they now have a podcast up there called wise weekly and Murray was on there just this last week I think on their third ever episode talking about the happenings around Wise County. So if you care about that region and are curious about eight are from Decatur then check it out.
That’s awesome. Hey, for our listeners out there. I would like to define Menagerie Oh yeah,
sorry about that.
Menagerie, a collection of wild animals kept in captivity for exhibition. In other words, that’s what we do. Marie is becoming the nishio del Toro the collector from Guardians of the Galaxy. That’s what we want to do. And we’ve done it with these we’ve done it with chickens. I mean if apparently we are a no kill shelter, also known as my home to a no kill shelter. Yes. So Emily would like to contribute their animal so that Murray can continue
collecting wild animals kept in captivity for exhibition, otherwise known as a menagerie Yeah, just pretend like you can’t take care of it anymore, and apparently it’s safe at our house.
While we’re on the spoony network, I did give a listen to the rich solution. You and I talked about it earlier. And gwin rich, who’s the author of stop complaining she was diagnosed with an incurable breast cancer and she’s basically just challenged that entire diagnosis. She’s spreading her own influence of positivity, and basically, you can create your own good luck. It was an awesome show. It’s Wednesdays live 10 Eastern, nine central on spoony.
com on the spoonie network. That’s the rich solution with Glenn rich, it I just loved it because it tied in so well to what we’ve learned from what what was With gut health, making great food choices, etc. But when when Mark was on the show, talking about his cancer prognosis, I mean, they said that nobody’s lived. He’s nine years out. He’s still here. He’s doing great. So what episode was up? episode number three, look for Mark simplement. Mark Simonon, the survivor of cancer.
So what’s really interesting about about this show is that each show has something different that I really liked about it. Sure. say which one was your favorite show? Like I can’t pick one because each one a little bit different.
Some are more emotional, some are more scientific.
Thinking today, we’re going to laugh a lot. I think today Robo is going to bring some laughs there’s probably very little very little down. Last thing. Oh, wait, no, no, already did all that. So we’re all caught up. So,
Ken, what’s on the corner? Do you want to geek out on some science right now? I think we should. All right.
So we’re always talking about how all health begins and ends in the gut and a new article came out just this month out of Texas Christian University TCU What they were looking at is this link and gut inflammation and how it can actually cause brain inflammation. And then the brain inflammation can affect us in ways that possibly we are completely unaware of, like decision making an impulse control. So let’s give a little background about this. And the reason why we brought about Tron teal is that we talked about CBOE a lot small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. But given the limitations about how to diagnose it, there is some confusion around that. And we don’t really understand how prevalent it is or how many people actually have it. But what we do know is that the microbiota or our microbiome, which we’re always talking about guys at Mojo, talk about it all the time seems like every day there’s about a story on that right, or dysbiosis growth in a way that it shouldn’t be or growing where it should not be, which is bacterial overgrowth has been linked to inflammation and autoimmune diseases that we do know. Now. Our intestines have a tight junction And our brains have one also called the blood brain barrier. This is the first time that I have seen an article where they showed mechanistically that the tight junction in the intestine similar to the blood brain barrier, right over here I am now we’re talking gut brain. And that the two barriers can be very similar. Just a reset if you’re listening and this is these are new terms for you, essentially, the barrier, the blood brain barrier is there to prevent certain small things from passing over into the brain tissue. Correct. And so those people that have suffered from this have heard of a term called leaky gut, right? I’m going to talk a leaky brain now, that’s done. It’s pretty wild. So new evidence is showing that intestinal permeability or leaky gut can actually be caused by a molecule called Zombieland. Don’t worry about the the sciency here part but the zanya Lynn is now been shown that it can cause blood brain barrier permeability. In other words is only because of leaky gut. And because leaky brain. This is the first time that articles actually looked at something like this, because we have always been trying to discuss that there is this if you have intestinal inflammation, or I have been saying this for a long time, that that has been linked to other problems, like anything that can create problems in the brain. Well, quite honestly, we talked about Dr. Terry walls, but one of the reasons why her wall protocol, changing your diet may help is because you stop this inflammatory process and the Multiple Sclerosis plaques don’t form as much. So that’s something to keep in mind. So now there’s evidence to show that chronic intestinal inflammation has been linked to autism, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, psychiatric disorders, and all that kind of stuff. So here’s a mechanism of how it could because when you have this microbiota gut brain access, it gets really complex and the brain talks to the micro biome, the microbiome send signals to the brain. It can be done through the Vegas nerve but can also be done through hormones that are actually being released and different inflammatory mediators and all this other stuff. Bottom line is, you need to make sure that you protect your microbiome because it’s communicating with your brain. And if you have dysbiosis in the wrong place, then that intestinal permeability gets a little bit out of control. So they were looking at this and they realized that not only will you have inflammation, but you can start affecting what’s called the HPA axis or the hypothalamus pituitary access. They were showing that when you have got inflammation you have increased cortisol which leads to more inflammation and now we have that model of okay fight or flight all the time. Follow me here so far. Yeah, I am so far because we haven’t even gotten to the study yet. They had to do all this background to actually explain why they wanted to do this particular type of study. So this increased stress through cortisol and this inflammatory process, could be causing a few other things. This is kind of like a mini course in the brain got access. They theorized that when you have things like this going on, not only can you have these diseases over a long period, what if you induce an inflammatory response in the gut? And how does it affect you in the short term? Okay, so they took 159 people without any prior history of mental illness, any prior history of any gut issues. And then what they did is they injected them with an inflammatory mediator, okay, meaning I’m going to create gut inflammation, they actually use something called lipid polysaccharide. And all I polysaccharide is the, it’s in the coating of the bacterial cell, right? So this is the thing that actually leaks through when you have intestinal permeability, and then the body reacts to it. And then that leads to this whole inflammatory process.
So to just to summarize, you’re saying that they use basically an artificial trigger to show that we’re going to we’re going to induce some gut inflammation. Let’s see what happens. I’ll take it further. They used an artificial CBOE trigger.
So they actually induced how the body responds to bacterial overgrowth. Oh, okay. And what they showed was pretty wild. So what happened is when they injected this, it created a sub clinical level of inflammation that they could measure by measuring all these different parameters. They wanted to know that when you have this inflammatory process that crosses the blood brain barrier, meaning, now you create a little bit of brain inflammation. What does that do to the immediate thought process? It can’t be good. It’s fascinating. What it showed that what they found is that this inflammation, even subclinical inflammatory processes in healthy people lead to poor decision making, lack of impulse control, characterized by lack of focus, and inability to delay gratification. Which is fascinating. And they actually showed that there was some movement towards somewhat destructive behavior, like gambling and things like that, even in the short term. So they showed with these people that the low level inflammatory process kind of leads to some social processes, which can lead to a destructive style of life.
Wow. And that was just out of curiosity was Charlie Sheen, one of these, one of these subjects.
So Charlie Sheen was actually the the co founder and the, the leader of this. Yeah, at Texas Christian University.
So yeah, that’s where he goes.
So anyways, it just really wild because basically, what they’re getting at here is and I see this with my patients all the time. Patients are come in and they’ll say, Man, I was perfectly fine. And then five years ago, I got sick, and then I’ve been bloated ever since. And, quite honestly, I’m super angry. I’m depressed I don’t really want to be around people. So one of the things that they saw was anhedonia where people did not want to socially interact when they had these inflammatory markers up.
I have seen firsthand that when I treat people’s guts and they get better without trying to and we decrease the neuro inflammatory process with CBD, that I will have people tell me Yeah, things are just a whole lot better. And I’ve always wondered why and like was it is it the gut? Now we realized that the guts creating this inflammatory process, I would love to hear from people that if you ever experienced anything like that, like maybe a cool story after taking out Tron teal and kBm, dcpd that maybe the fortnight addiction or whatever addiction that you
might have gets better. I don’t know. We can start treating Addiction Medicine through the gut,
man. It’s amazing. It actually doesn’t even surprise me. It seems like every time I turn around, you’re going to find out that Mother Nature has an answer and it’s multifaceted. Just be healthy, just slow down the inflammation and what is That we can do. It’s wild how much of it ties back to you don’t have to eat crazily you don’t have to do a bunch of crazy stuff. It’s just us Mother Nature polyphenols, CBD, better diet, good exercise, get good sleep. And suddenly you’ll
feel yourself getting hold of the pillars of health. It really is. Just be Wouldn’t it be awesome. If you could just know that every single month, something cool is going to come to your house so that you could have these things to help you with your pillar of health. heal your gut, protect your brain get you to sleep well, and that’d be awesome. That might be some foreshadowing. Well, who knows? Maybe Maybe you’ll have an answer for that
sometime soon. I don’t know.
Oh, and you know what it’s such as humans that experience things like that, like you have a new dog maybe, you know, separation anxiety and animals share. There’s other things that can actually happen with animals. Now maybe we have a reason why that’s going on. Also, possibly things like CBD can help animals. Well, I’ll tell you what
, we’ve got less than a minute but here Joining the show, as we hinted at earlier, it’s going to be Robo Hendrickson. He’s got incredible knowledge, his company is definitely dedicated to research for better animal health. And they do it with a an arm for charity, which can make a difference worldwide. So Robo Hendrickson will be here. And I think he’ll be able to address a lot of that. The funny thing is, is not only are they interested in just better health, they know that so much of the health of those animals, including large animals, comes through the gut, and they’re actually willing to, to kind of expand that idea of research robots.
So we’re going to be all over the place, we’re going to geek out a little bit, go to love my tummy.com slash spoonie putting code spoonie for a discount innatron to
absolutely KBMD health.com. We’ll see you here at the bottom of the hour in just two minutes.
Okay, we are now back
for the second half hour of Episode 10 a gut check project. I’m Eric Rieger, here with your host, Ken Brown. And now to my right, we’ve got the Robo Hendrickson of Full Bucket Health (fullbucket) as well as well just done a whole ton of other
companies. What’s up Robo? Hey guys, thanks for having me.
Absolutely. Thanks for driving the whole 22 minutes to get over here. Yeah,
it’s like 45 minutes I think total so
it’s hard to get anywhere in Dallas. That’s right 45 minutes is this show taking the tunnel?
I shoulda Yeah, sure.
You have enough gas or is no tunnel so either way. Man so full bucket health and what else should we start with the you got? You got smash factory, you’ve got dragon you got rocket animal health. So much of that falls underneath the
animals are all your companies.
You I’m busy. I’m a partner in most of them. Smash Factory. I’m You know, is just my baby. But the others I’m partners in because I found that I’m really not good at a whole lot. So I got to surround myself with good people and partner up on. So
that’s exactly how we met. I mean just basically being surrounded by by good folks. Yeah. And that brought us together of course so we’ll get to that in a second but one of your really good friends course Michael lavich is the reason why we met which is awesome that so just to take the listeners back you may not know a little bit about Robo you grew up in South Dakota. You were in rodeo.
Yes. And your dad
was a was a veterinarian as well.
Yeah, my brother still runs his little animal clinic. Oh, up in South Dakota. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I’m, you know, growing up in western South Dakota wasn’t a stretch to you know, we we had a dad was not only a practicing veterinarian, but the love of his life was ranching. So we also had a ranch and Dad not only worked his guts out, you know, going on calls and pulling calves in the wintertime, but then he come home and feed and you know, Brian Ranch, and you know, growing up that was just how we, we grew up and my first jobs were, you know, scooping up the stalls and cleaning cages and you know, when I was a little boy and so he had
you worked on this, like from day one.
Absolutely. I mean, are actually the first clinic he launched when when he first got into his, you know, started his own practice and left the practice he was working for. It was in our house, our kitchen turn table turned into an operating table and that Yeah, and I
gotta hear I gotta hear one of those stories. Yeah, so
it’s Yeah, he he moved a stainless steel big old table in the in the kitchen and, and the front entryway, porch. We had a couple couches that was the waiting room he moved my me and my brother out of one room into in with my sister in the back and turned our room into the recovery room. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. So that’s we did that in our head a little barn on the place and turn that into the the large animal clinic and then probably live like I you know, quite honestly I don’t remember how long we live like that. But I remembered that he moved a double wide mobile home next door with a basement under we moved in there and thought we were in a palace because it was no longer the clinic and that was our house, you know. And he was in that practice for several years and then he moved to a better location and built a nice practice and it’s still there today. And you know, it was sold to a big chain of clinics and they kept my brother and my brother started managing and after my mom retired, she was the she was the bookkeeper, accountant. Nice, nice, you know, customer service gal. So
let me just jump in here really quick because I was Just informed by our producer Jeff that somebody from the first hour that I had mentioned, Linda Snyder is called in from Omaha, Nebraska. Linda, are you there?
I’m here. Oh my goodness. What’s
going on? Did you hear me mention your name?
No, I didn’t. Sorry. I’m working. I just caught it now. I’m sorry.
I know I know some of us.
We’ve got we got Rubble on or he was just telling a story about how he got kicked out of his bedroom to make a recovery room. You know, you’re over there as a radiologist. Just a nice controlled area. You know, I don’t know somewhat not considered a real job either, Linda.
That’s true. Yeah, I’m living the life.
We’re doing great. One of the people that were our guest today is Robo and he works for or he owns a company called full bucket. We got to talk and we’re going to get into this later, but the actually do some charitable work. And since I met Terry walls this weekend, your name got brought up a lot. And I just thought it’d be really cool for maybe you to explain your experience that what you’ve been going through and what you’re hoping to do.
Okay, well, I’ll tell you my story. So it started a long, long time ago, when I was about 21 years old. And so at that time, I knew I had a potential to have a genetic disorder from my dad. And so I decided, you know what they discovered the gene, I’m going to go ahead and get tested, and see if I have it or not. And, sadly, I tested positive. So I knew I was going to have this chronic debilitating disease called a texia that my dad had. So attacks they’re really just me in coordination or difficulty walking is similar to like Ms or Lou Gehrig’s disease or anything like that or having a stroke and not being able to walk So I knew at that time that I was going to have it, and I was going to be in a wheelchair. And really at that time, they told me that the best guess was that I was going to be in the wheelchair by 40. And I’m older than now and I’m not in a wheelchair, which is great news. But they really don’t understand the whole process behind it, and why I’m sort of behaving differently than other people who have the disease. But part of it may be because I’m super active and take a really active role in trying to slow down the process.
Yeah, exactly. So in my quest of trying to help myself, I came across her book and read it and it’s, it’s written in such a way that’s so easy to understand. And I am a little bit skeptical. So I read it thinking Gosh, she really made all these improvements just based on diet. And at first I was sort of like, I don’t know if that’s really gonna work. But then again, I was also like, it doesn’t hurt to try it, it’s not gonna hurt, you know, I mean, it’s not harmful. And so I might as well give it a whirl and see if it makes difference in my life. So I started kind of slowly become a can’t really just jump into things. And so I started by just going to go and gluten free, as I added in the dairy free tried to increase the amount of like vegetables and fruit I got and things like that. And then the venture started getting into more like ketosis, and then getting more until I got out, discovering, discovering you and until and things like that. And so using all those things, combined together I think really helps me in my disease. Slow down to the point where other people are like surprised by other physicians, like that are our shock. How like, Oh, good. I’m doing for what, what they expect, basically,
that’s exactly what
Terry said whenever she first started changing the way that she ate and the the improvements that she made. Linda, this is Eric, and it’s an amazing story that you’ve you put yourself in that kind of trajectory. But talking to Terry, she, she’d said that people wouldn’t believe in her. Terry, actually, Linda, you’re gonna be interested in this. Terry actually told me that she’s trying to set up with the university, a randomized trial, we’re looking at Ms. People using just the wall protocol versus traditional ms drugs, and just comparing that to see where it is. So I think it’s I think you’re a huge I think anybody suffering from any chronic neurologic disorder needs to hear your story. And I think one of the things that you discovered that you realize that a lot of people don’t have access to, we have sponsored your charity for three years in a row. Can you tell people a little bit about what you’re trying to do for Those with the taxi. Oh,
sure. So having any type of chronic disease like that is obviously super expensive to have. And then insurance, it really only covers a small part of what you really need. And so it’s not only you know, physical therapy or medications that are helpful, but yoga and acupuncture and adding CBD or doing getting grab bars and having a wheelchair ramp or anything like that to help you run your house isn’t covered by insurance. And so I saw that there was a need a financial need in the community, and really decided because I’m a little bit like, Polly do cutter, and I’m like, Oh, sure, I’ll just start a 501 c three nonprofit and we’ll just help everyone not realizing how much work that was.
Companies Yeah, I think really did into that. Yeah, exactly. Everybody. Everybody has good intention and you’re like, Oh shit, this is work. Yeah.
Right and then I’m like, Oh crap, there’s all these like illegal things do and what I was so glad I started it because in reality it helped so many people buy the things that help their lives on a daily basis. So they’re able to be safer at home and have a better quality of life. Because we’re able to help them out financially a little bit. So really, we’re helping any type of attacks. Yeah, so really attacks it from anything from Parkinson’s, Huntington’s Ms. Who cares, whatever it is, if you need help with something that’s going to make your life a little bit better, whether it’s you ago or acupuncture or just a simple thing, like grab bars in your house, then we’re able we have a granted remember able to help people of course
and they just go to Nebraska at taxi.org right?
That’s correct. All right.
Well, I tell you what we got to get back to some animals. Romo was just in the middle of telling us about his cool upgrade to a double wide trailer
in South Dakota, North Dakota.
Linda, thank you.
Okay, thank you. Take care. Bye,
man. That’s amazing. It’s crazy how many parallels there are two. I know which you and I’ve talked about before we got on the on the mix here Robo. But in terms of health for animals, health for humans, and basically if you want to get the most out of your life and your animals life, you have to be healthy.
Yeah, absolutely. And I can fast track real quick because there’s some neat stuff between then and now. You know, I I, when I left the ranch, I tried to go to college for a little bit until they really you know, I realized I wasn’t very good at that. actually went in to prevent. Yeah, yeah. But then I’d come home and I’d see my dad working, you know, 16 hours a day and slogging through the cold and all that thing. I don’t know. I love animals but not like he does so. So I, you know, I be bopped around. I was rodeoing at that time and I went, I got a college scholarship and then I did rodeo. Yeah. And then and then. And then I went on professionally and
you were a bareback rider, correct? Yeah,
I rode bareback professionally and did a lot of events when I was younger, but
how’d you get into that?
Well, you know, when you grew up on a ranch in South Dakota, it’s not that big of a stretch. It’s you know,
the horse can you go with
you? That’s what you do. a fortnight
Yeah, no, we didn’t have a lot of that going on. But yeah, you know, all your friends are in it. And your heroes are all rodeo cowboys. And it was a it was a culture Really what it was, it was a community culture thing. And that state was very proud of that culture and, and so you dreamed of being a film those kinds of shoes and doing that. So, you know, and I was made up with it for a while and, but there was always something, you know, I was always really interested in other odd things like I was really an odd man out, kind of have been my whole life. You know, my, my buddies would listen to country music and, you know, the things that, you know, when they were in their off time, they would be, you know, working on spurs are they were training Colts and I was drawing, you know, furniture in a notebook and I was, you know, listening to, you know, Depeche Mode and and massive attack and my interests were about design and art and, and, you know, we would travel all over the country and I wanted to go see museums, you know, and things like that. So There’s a little bit of an outlier. And and did
your dad have a little that in them? Or is this over you just the rest of the family?
I really don’t know. You know, I, if he did, it wasn’t shared with me a whole lot
had to come from somewhere but
the I always had this spirit for new things. And I knew there was something else out there. There. You know, I grew up in an area that was a little bit closed mine I won’t say closed minded, but there were some blinders on there. You know, it’s just exposure. Right, right. And it wasn’t like, my parents were great. They were very loving people, but they weren’t those, you know, you can do anything that you The world is your oyster, man. I didn’t get none of that.
But here’s a funny story. So it goes back to that Do
you think you’ll be okay? Not if it keeps listening to that.
Something’s wrong with that boy. You get kicked. We didn’t know it.
So even use a saddle. Oh, so I was thinking about that when, when I was on my drive over here I remembered something that so when I was in that old house and dad turned it into clinic and moved me and my brother and sister into the back, and I my very first memory. I mean, this is the one that I always remember, you know, unless I’m on psilocybin or something. I remember my first memory was I had to be four or five years old because we were still in the old house. And it would be a hot summer day. And out my back the back window was a was a swing set. And there was grass because you know, belly Hi, everyone the back, Nick. We didn’t have a, you know, launchers. There was nothing You know, native pastors everywhere so native grass and it was really thick and was all around the swing set and I was the window was open and it was hot outside. And you know in in South Dakota that means it was 70 and, and it was looking out the window I remember looking out the window and the whip or wills were were singing. And I don’t know if you’ve ever heard a whisper will sing, but that’s what made me look out the window and it was blazing hot skies were blue, blue, blue, just a few clouds. And I was overcome with this unbelievable feeling. I had no idea what it was and I was a little boy. But I’m kind of getting like, choked up thinking about that feeling. It went all over my body and it filled my heart and my soul. And I had no idea what it was but It was about the gloriousness of life. I like how beautiful it was the sound and the smell and the view. But it was also about the future. Like I knew your for. Yeah, I knew there was a future coming. Right and that I didn’t know what it was, but it was sort of like getting ready to go on an expedition. And you’re really really excited before you go, you know, it’s the anticipation. And it just took me over. I remember that. That moment. And I have had that I used to have that moment a lot. Like I would get so excited and I would know something cool is going to happen or even if it’s bad, it’s gonna be cool. It’s life and it it didn’t scare me. It just filled me with like love and and, and I don’t know if it even tingled. And over the years, it’s become less and less You know, as you get older and Jade, why do you think it’s less than less? You just the experiences you have. And you change, you know, you you go from seeing the future as this amazing. I’m going to go to Mars, I’m going to go see the universe to you know, watching my dad die, you know, just a few weeks ago and you realize oh there isn’t it you know at that point in my life there was no way that what’s really ironic is that not long after that I actually got obsessed over death like it scared me so bad. And I was laying in bed and I I was thinking shits gonna end? Yep. I was like, I don’t that’s not good. I don’t want it.
And you know it was you can remember so clearly artistic brain because what you did is you painted a picture. That story. I knew exactly what was going on. Yeah, that is so embedded. imprinted in you. Yeah, that’s one thing Why do you think we have less of it because you’re describing it to a point where I think you can go back to that whenever you want. When when you when you have that tied that’s that neuro linguistic programming type thing where you can trigger I can I wanted to find out what a Weber will sounded like.
Oh, yeah, I hear that.
Sweet. So that’s going on that gets you to look at that and you have all hope. Yeah. And I’m sorry to hear about your father dying few weeks ago now you’re sitting around going this is going to end but you can recount that story so vividly that that is you. That is actually you. This is just I mean, I think you have the ability to go back to that
and inspire other angry You know, you get you you know, the perils of life, the ups and the downs and the experiences slowly kind of callous you you know, I mean, and I don’t mean that in a physical way like like calluses on my From just doing work, you know, as a, as a protective nature, it’s there for the calluses for a reason. And I think that’s part of your physical makeup to that you. You grow calluses physically, you know, mentally, psychologically, to protect yourself and to, you know, as you go through life without question. Yeah, absolutely. And when you’re when you’re a kid, you’re it’s soft and very, very thin. And as you get older, it’s thicker and harder. And it’s to prepare you or maybe I don’t know, but Yeah, I do. When I get the opportunity to think back on on those memories that does. Like I said, on my way over here, I got goosebumps just thinking about the whip or will the grass blowing and the future and but I think I was lucky to have that moment and, and pay attention to it. Because it really changed me and the people That I was surrounded with and that’s why I was different was that I was a dreamer. Really, I mean if you want to call it that, that’s really what it was is I was a big dreamer. And and so I was always dreaming shit up. And I like to write it down and like to make notes and it might be poetry one day it might be like I said furniture houses or inventions I have just stacks of notebooks over the years inventions.
so I’ll fast forward I was actually rodeoing and I think I was in Colorado or or Kansas somewhere. And I met a bull rider and he him and I and a couple of the guys stayed up at a hotel because that’s what you do you everybody shacks up, same journey and yeah, one one room and 20 guys and and I guess so. Yeah, so, so we would, we were staying up and playing music and writing songs and talking and and he, somehow everybody was kind of passed out was just him and I and we were sharing those stories about he was an artist and he would draw on. Very, very, very creative Dennis was was amazing. And, man I soon as I heard that I ran out to the van and grabbed my stack of notebooks and brought in rashanna I’d have been 21 to somewhere in there, somewhere in there. I was, it was, it was I tried college, I kicked out, hit the road, I was just doing, you know, construction and rodeoing and work and branches and whatever I could to make a living because you’re kind of worthless as a employee when you rodeo so so i, i i somewhere along there and it was at that, you know, we’re still kids, but Basically and, and I showed him all this stuff and he goes, man, you you should be a creative director at an agency. A what? A what? You had no idea. I didn’t know what that was at all. Yeah, I mean, I never put it together like I didn’t you know, watch commercials and I listened to him on the radio, but I didn’t know there was actually a
job behind it.
No idea somehow I just had this vision of like you the next day at the rodeo competition on a bareback going, you know?
Yeah. So, so I, I’d won a scholarship.
Actually, no, I hadn’t won the scholarship yet. I’d gotten an offer to go to this little Junior College in Kansas. And the coach luthier was good enough to offer me this scholarship because my grades had to I had to actually work my way back up to work. P collegiately. Sure. And, and so I did, I went to this little junior college and got my grades up and then I competed the second year and I did good enough that that I won a scholarship at the National College finals and I could kind of use it anywhere I wanted to because it was a national, you know, program. And by that time now I knew I wanted to kind of what I wanted. I wanted to go into some sort of, you know, creative career, there was only two colleges in the United States that have a rodeo program because you need to go use your rodeo scholarship somewhere where they have a rodeo program and you know, design marketing. And you know, it was San Luis Obispo, California and Hays Kansas and so I went out and toured the Cal Poly out there in California and for a week I stayed with guys were on the team out there and Oh man, the pretty girls and the sun. And the beaches and I was this is where I’m going till I found out what it costs to you know my scholarship was good for books tuition stuff like that but not not food not expensive i was i was shipped myself
from from South Yeah,
you’re paying $600 a month and there’s five of you living in this shoe box then I started paying attention to what is in Casa then I went to Hays, Kansas, that’s where they had a really excellent better program in Hays and it was a great programming and went there and I took, you know, different courses and slowly started to work into you know, graphic design and things like that. And so
then when I was still rhodey on and I left there and
Cheyenne frontier days and I tore my knee out and I was dating this girl Was this your first major injury because
this whole time you’re talking about now I’m trying to imagine want to go into that post competition just
banged up. I’ve had four knee surgeries for Sean surgeries and I don’t know how many broken bones but that they died I tore my knee out in in Cheyenne and was dating this girl that was living in Denton, Texas. Okay, so I went was jacked up with her was laying on the couch my knee up she goes he didn’t get a damn job. And I said I can’t work my knee you know my knees all banged up well, I’d only done physical labor you know, work to us was riding Colts are swinging a hammer pouring concrete and, and, you know, and she said, Oh man, you you you know how to design and Advertising stuffing. Oh yeah, I forgot about that because when I left college I just went rodeo and so that started the process of me working for it and magazine laying out ads in the back of the magazine changed my trajectory of my life and a whole new chapter and I gave up my boots and spurs and bought black advertising clothes and a Range Rover and became a douche.
I think we got about 30 seconds left and that is a perfect segue. We’re gonna learn how Robo evolved into being a dude.
That was it was awesome. I was totally drawn in.
I keep dropping the hammer like a sweet.
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absolutely worth where do we left we just left off your couch girlfriend basically said you need to go get a job. And it didn’t Texas right so just not far from Fort Worth.
I actually was we were living in I bought a little 16 foot white, you know, long mobile home and drag it out of the mud burlison and took it to Aubrey. Oh, yeah, north northeast and then I lived there was a little trailer park out there and we set it up and I started fixing it up and that was my first Fixer Upper House. Nice. We actually made money. So tickle. Nice. Yeah, that’s not bad. So yeah, that was I think we lived there for a year. Maybe a year and a half and then and yeah, and so I like i said i transition from the rodeo guy to the ad guy and I got a job work you know when there’s a little tweak there that’s kind of interesting is that growing up in South Dakota and on ranches and I’ll let you know a nine to five cubicle job scared the shit Me that very inspiring know you’re you think oh my god like prison who would do that then. And so when she said you can get a job you know how to do design and advertising and so I I got, you know, she gave me a newspaper and I found this job working for this magazine. They needed some graphic designer layout ads in the back of the magazine. So
was this a magazine entire field like Was it a no animal magazine or? No, it was it was a college
it was called study breaks magazine college application. It was based out of Austin, but they had a they had a un t version.
It’s a it’s franchise to a bunch of different
Yeah. And so I started out as just a graphic designer there and you know, computers were being used. It was laborious process still, but it was no longer doing Ruby lifting all that stuff, but your No magazines, no computer, a Mac. And so that was quite the experience. This is 93 ish, four ish.
Oh, so the Mac was about as big as this room and
yeah, one sense of power. Absolutely. In fact, I kind of cut myself because we had four or five of them in the office there in Denton. And I bet there was a signature to on some of them inside because they were some of the very first you know, the max that shift and but I went to work and laying out these little ads and the, the, you know, business owners would come in and sit down with me and we, together we’d kind of come up with the ad, you know, it’d be like the size of a business card and we spent an hour trying to come up with copy and, you know, an offer, and I freaking loved it. I was just as the first job that didn’t bore me. I would work 16 hours a day, and just literally look up, go Oh shit, it’s midnight.
Isn’t that fascinating? So some people would view that, oh, it’d be like prison but you’re you are free because you’re in your own head.
The first time I could actually use it was the first time I use my brain to make money wasn’t much money, it was making shit, but that I was getting paid. Yeah. To think like, what a concept. Yeah. So that kind of, you know, that started and then when I started getting better and better and or, you know, I started doing some freelance work around the Metroplex, and for different ad agencies and I would just do, you know, little ad stuff, layouts and things and and, and then I finally got a kind of a more of a full time position at an agency in Fort Worth with a couple ladies and and I got along with one of the partners very, very well and I started developing my craft, getting better at it, and I had a strategic mind. I’ve always never been a Really good designer, but I love design. So I’ve worked at it very hard. I wasn’t talented, but I have a passion for it. But I naturally took to, like strategy. Like I naturally took to positioning the brand, doing something with
that. And it’s like, Can you can you just elaborate on that a little bit? So you’re, you’re an ad person, but when you say strategy, like you’re already seeing the buyer journey.
Yeah, yeah. It would just fall into place in my mind. Because I was a dreamer, I could manifest the future with it, like, I could see where it was going to be someday, it just would immediately come. Like, I know, this can be this. I can picture the store, employee, you know, the customers there and everything. And look and what you know, the experience and but the, you know, we were selling ads, and you know, these companies would come to Want to slap lipstick on a pig? And then say, We want you to do new branding, you know, designer store. So we would, but the whole time, it was frustrating because I knew their product sucked. And I knew that the customer service department was, you know, crap and I knew everything inside is broken, but the way they want us to make the facade look good. And it was very frustrating. And so I started to develop like, programs and sessions on how to teach them that if you fix the inside first that the outside will take care of itself, right. And we actually, you know, when I became I worked my way up to creative director and then and then one of the ladies and I became partners, and we started to our own agency and and we grew it and we would did a really good job we we landed Sony electronics and blockbuster and I helped launch sex XM Satellite Radio and we had some great clients and it was a lot of fun working in the ad agency business in the 90s. And 2000s. You know, it was pretty, pretty wild. We had a great office in Fort Worth, and lots of cool parties. And this was actually
as creative yet.
Yeah. So and my partner, I guess the biggest part of that was the first exposure to having a very, very competent partner that offset my weaknesses, which there’s a lot so it’s like, yeah, I’m, I’m a weak structure and need a lot of support. So Sandra was a brilliant, smart, you know, wasn’t never went to college, but she was classy, which means she knew indicus and not and she cussed properly. But she she was self made and she was she you know, basically handled everything. But the creative and strategy should just let me have that and she appreciated what I did. And we got along very well. And grew the agency and, and I learned so much and I was trying to teach these companies you know, we were selling these strategy sessions like a brand speak and a few others. And they do bits and pieces and parts but not really buy into the whole methodology. They wouldn’t do the whole thing. And and so she wanted to retire and, and I thought that, you know, I could and this was when the agency business was really taken a tanker, you know, in like 2002 the laptop computers started taking over our business because now people can lay out their own stuff and do their own design a game with Photoshop and became much easier for the general public and, and so, you know, we luckily we were able Exit that business and I kept the digital arm and worked in building websites and stuff up until 2009. And
and was didn’t like it.
I was just going to ask that did that fulfill the same creative?
well with the other way? No, because
you know, by then it didn’t it didn’t you know it did but like I said, we get calloused. Like if I would have stepped into that role. We did some really neat stuff. And back then, you know, we’re, you know, cost you $300,000 to get a website built by us. But, yeah, well, that was because everything was hard. I could get it done for 500 now,
I mean, they would charge companies outrageous amounts.
It had to be much less
because it was hard. I was because I had to hire guys that were that came from ARPANET. Yeah, they helped develop ARPANET. That’s what we had to hire to help you know, to do the programming on the websites. Cuz it, there wasn’t tools or Well, yeah,
it’s all everything. Yeah.
And and so, you know, the the, the technical aspect really because it was new. And I’m curious, I was ended up with it at first. But once I kind of got over that I was like, okay, code is boring kind of mean it’s not boring but it get good got boring for me and doing Google AdWords programs back then which is what we also did after a while I realized it’s a lot of spreadsheets. And so so I, you know, I’ve sold my part to my partner and, and tried to transition into some of the things I was doing some consulting work for different companies to pay the bills my wife had contracted chronic Lyme disease or didn’t contract she’d been finally diagnosed. After three, four years of trying to figure out what was wrong And we had two babies and, you know, a lot of shit happen in a short amount of time that really got at me. And, and I was really like, I didn’t know how to handle this kind of situation. It was just, you know, I was thinking negatively and was scared. You know, I’d never had responsibility before in the wake up when I got to frickin kids and a wife and how am I gonna do this? And one day, so I didn’t know what I wanted to do. I didn’t know. I was interested in a lot of things. I don’t know what I want to do. I don’t know fish. You don’t have a hobby per se. But I knew what I didn’t want to do. So I sat down, and I’ll try to make this fast because I want to talk about full bucket. We do have another half hour right? Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, I
just shut me up. So
no, I think the beauty of your brain is you paint a very convincing pictures so you’re a good storyteller. This isn’t this is the campfire effect going on right here. Yeah, I’m just I enjoyed the stories.
Like I moved from San from South Dakota with you. There you go. Well, if we were having
cocktails I’d even be better.
You know, not get sidetracked but next time you said cocktails, there. Yeah. Yes, sir. psilocybin decriminalized. But
you guys told me that I heard, you know, Chet Baker said that it lost and then you guys came in, like, holy crap. They didn’t know. That’s amazing. It says a very close about I’m very excited. Yeah. So, so the, I didn’t know what I wanted to do, and was very frustrating. And I was consulting for some private equity companies to pay our bills and, and was very, I was kind of desperate and away. I was, you know, well, I I’ve missed a little part where I partnered up with the wrong person. After I left the web buzzer, I tried to launch a niche advertising network online network at that time, Google Ad ad sense and Google AdWords weren’t really keyed in very well with the algorithms and targeting and so there was a lot of opportunity to create niche ad networks that were all online but aligning people and I partnered up with a guy that I didn’t know that well but had what I needed, which was a development team and started sinking money into that and the partnership. We didn’t have the same ethics, okay, that’s all I’m going to say. And so it went belly up. And or, you know, I shot at the head basically, and,
and this is while you’re still you got the kids the way not in a good day
sudden, when I we started it, it was really taking off and we were going to make a lot of money. And and but that’s why the Why I have this belief now that the people you work with is way more important than what you’re doing. Way more important and the ideas is it’s nice if it’s a good idea, it’s better if it’s a great idea, but they’re both are relevant if the people you’re working with are shit, so
took a nosedive, trying to regroup, very frustrated, you know, feeling worthless, but knew that okay, other people are here. I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And I was very frustrated that so one morning I woke up and I took out a notepad and I started writing down what I don’t like to do. And I just started writing what things do I not like about work and business and whatever and then I started filling some pages. You know, there’s a lot of things that you that you don’t like if you really start looking into it.
Did that experience take you into a more negative place? Because that could that could go down a rabbit hole in my brain. I’m just like, holy cow. I don’t like a lot
of the will know me. You know what it really didn’t it was a little bit cathartic. Because you know, that floats around in you anyways. And all day you’re a little bit bombarded by it. Bing, bing, bing, bing, but writing it down, and actually looking at it going, Oh, yeah, I don’t. I don’t like it when somebody comes in and, you know, makes me stop what I’m doing and do something else. Hmm. Sounds like a simple thing. But I was in what I was doing. And now you’re trumping my hated that. So it was cathartic to see it on paper. No, that’s why I get during the day, I get that little, huh, because somebody stopped me from doing what I was working on.
You’re an artist, you get into a flow state. Yeah. And then somebody interrupts that. You have to work your way back into that flow.
Yeah, yeah. And so, you know what the end of that night by the way, I didn’t have any like direction. I was just doing this. And so I started writing all the things I didn’t like. And then I realized at the end of, I don’t know, five pages and hundreds of things. I went back to it and said, All right, well, a lot of these are very similar. You know, the, these are they all sound different, are there but they’re really fall under one bucket. Sure. And these all fall into this bucket, they all have the same kind of the cause itself. These were all symptoms, the cause itself was kind of the same overarching one, I don’t know. But I just realized there were they were similar. So I put them in their own buckets, and I ended up with like, eight buckets. And, and so I had eight, you know, verticals that these are things that I don’t like with you know, being told what to do, you know, working on my own schedule, all these things, essentially was, you know, I don’t want to work for somebody else. Well, and then there was another one about, I don’t want to work on things that don’t have inherent value for humanity and for me and make me feel good, and I wanted things that my girls would be proud that a dad working on those things and I wanted something. I wanted to have products that gave and served. Well, that’s, you know, that all fall under, you know, a bucket. And so when I was done, I had these eight core things and I thought, well, I’ll just flip them off. I don’t want to work for somebody else. I got to be my own boss. Right. if if if I don’t want You know, my, if I don’t want what I do to be, I have no value for society for me or for my family, then I need to have something that does and so on so forth. And I had eight things and wrote those on a piece of paper and I call them my eight, manifestos. And immediately I mean, within a heartbeat. Whole bunch of stuff made sense in my life. I had
a couple of opportunities that
I had been dragging my feet on. And immediately, I realized why I was dragging my feet because they didn’t meet these criteria. Yeah, because I knew, I still didn’t know what I wanted to do. But if if it had these eight things, one view, I’m going to be happy if, if it meets these criteria, I’ll be happy no matter what it is. But then All of a sudden, two things happen. One is I realized the opportunities I wasn’t taking advantage of was because they didn’t meet those criteria. And my internal system was dragging its feet. And it also opened up to other opportunities I couldn’t even see. Because now I had this lens or looking glass that that I could look through. And I could see so much more using that. And I remember God was in the kitchen, and I was at the table and this all happened and I said, You know why? I’ve been dragging my feet on that offer with the private equity group come on board. She said no, I said, because it only meets one of these. Like, I could make a lot of money. It has, you know, runway is what I call it, it had runway, not that I wanted to be rich, but if I’m going to put energy into something I want to get energy back. And that’s part of the energy part only. Piece of the energy is you know, the the purpose stuff. But it also is the monetary aspect to make an improved my life but also exponentially expand. They only met that one. It didn’t meet any of the others. And she goes, Oh, okay. And I said, but you know what, you know, those two young veterinarians that I’ve been consulting the last little bit
they meet seven of the eight
you know, they
were consulting for them.
Well, they had
they had started making they’re both extremely good. veterinarians, very well known in the equine industry, but they are also small animal too, but very well known in the equine industry and and they had developed and this is where will tie into all of this is that they actually were struggling with diarrhea in their patients. And there wasn’t a good all natural alternative. To help mitigate that, interesting in a, in a very successful way. And and so this was when they started making their product they are, you know, experimenting with like in mid 2005 six somewhere in there. And they rob Dr. Rob Franklin was, you know, he’s a they’re both brilliant, smart and Rob’s one of those kind of people who can research and really extract things. I mean, he’s he’s insanely good at that. And so he was doing a lot of research about probiotic use in humans. And, and there was there’s a lot of misinformation about probiotics. In fact, probiotics aren’t really necessarily a thing or like it’s not like, that’s a probiotic. It’s kind of how you use it. You can use a lot of different things, but the way you use it means it’s a probiotic. Anyhow, so He’d been doing a lot of research and they they came up on a novel solution that, you know, the at the current time there were probiotics in the market and the animal health care side, but they were strains that had never been proven to work. They were way way under concentrated. They blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So he he, he used his mind to create a very, you know, it was all about the various ingredients, and they all had to be there. Not just a probiotic, but it needed a almost like a caring agent to do this. And it needed this to do this. And so it was a formula that he put together and was messing around with in his clinics. And he just kept messing with it till all of a sudden diarrhea was stopping. And it was healthy. Stop. It wasn’t like he wasn’t plugging anything up. The body was healing itself and getting it back on its feet. They started using it and their colleagues wanted some. So they started in their colleagues are some of the best equine vets. So that started spreading. Next thing, you know, they had a business that they started out of their garage, shipping boxes. And you know, for four years they did this, but they weren’t really growing. They just sort of picked all where they started. And they were wanting some help. They wanted to figure out how can we take this to market and so friend of a friend introduced us, I said, Yep, I’d love to help. And so we met and had a couple of really deep dive sessions and in I did discovery where I didn’t dig all this stuff out of them. And it’s very personal. I want to know you personally. And I was sitting there at the coffee table, and I said, you know, there’s two young veterinarians I’m working with, they meet seven of the eight. And Jody goes, which one Don’t you mean, I go the runway. I go, the more supplement market is small, especially in the veterinary market minutes. Not very big and She goes, could it be? I don’t know. I mean, if we expanded into pets and maybe livestock and other areas, yeah, she goes, do you think they’ll have you? And I go, I don’t know. So I called Keith on the phone and I go, Hey, I don’t want to be a consultant. I want to be partner. And he goes, robot. We just talked about you yesterday. That’s awesome. That’s cool. And we, you know,
what I find fascinating. You use the word Looking Glass. And to me, I immediately saw you at four years old looking through the window at that swing and you went back to your roots to veterinary. Yeah, not funny.
Yeah, I’m full circle, then. Yeah, I’ll tell you the next round it. It felt like putting on a pair of wellborn boots.
That’s awesome. I can’t believe that was a half hour Robo. next half hour. We’re gonna put this all together deal. Just a moment.
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we got logo here bouncing the jazz music whatever the hell you want to call that. So we’re back here for the last half hour I’m not gonna waste any time because I’m kind of sit on the edge of my seat not just because of how familiar that story sounds to me, even though it’s the first time I’ve ever heard it. But anyway, Robo continue. I must say that I like my voice in this microphone.
Yeah, cut that late night draw.
What’s that? What was that guy who had the late night show coast to coast?
Oh, that was on bill Bill Maher. Bill Mac. Joe Mack Yeah, Bill Mac show. Don’t you remember that it was trucker that Oh, yeah. trucker? Yeah. Actually, I have a relationship with Bill my partner Sandra and him were dear friends and she she got him on XM Satellite Radio. Nice. She got him to move from, you know, the traditional radio over into XM. She did the contracts. She did the negotiate Yeah, so I swim in his pool with him one night, middle of the night drinking cocktails.
This is Robert Hendrickson. He swims and Bill next year
here long time ago.
And somehow that led to some amazing, honestly personal stories about how, ultimately you’ve got full bucket, as well as some other companies.
Yeah. So I’m flipping through your website. This is really cool. I get I mean, we could talk hours just on this one company. This is really cool. Which one? Well, that was like a full bucket. Yeah,
yeah. So. So, we, we all got together me and Robin Keith. got together and and again, so there was this by the way, this was in 2009 10. Yeah, 2010 11. We actually. So they had a company called stellar mark. They had two products, they had a paste that was a very high concentrated product and They had a a powder that you put on feed. And it was just for horses. And it was for to help mitigate, you know, the diarrhea and loose stool and things like that. So they had these products, they, they were very good. They worked. And when we met, they’d been trying to get it going for about four years. They had it going, but they they’ve sort of capped out. So when we sat down and had the, you know, kicked it off again, we shut that company down because one of the core aspects of us coming together and doing this together, was that we didn’t want to just have a business that sold stuff. You know, we didn’t want to just have a company that sold you know, nutraceuticals We wanted to have a business that meant something on a whole different level. And we’d read all three of us had read like muck housekeys start something that matters, which is a book about how he started TOMS shoes and his journey with that and you know that really resonated with me but both of them are Robin Keith are big readers they’d read it and we talked a lot about it but like that’s, that’s the beauty that there there was something there. Robin Keith had been going on these veterinary without borders, type trips to Mexico. And they use their skills to do some simple veterinary care and help the people out down there but it was all it’s all part of a nonprofit organization and and it really, they was awesome for them to use their skills to help people with it right, but really, really, really need it. These are people that don’t have access to any kind of health care and in their animals and but so they were doing these trips and working on donkeys horses and meals, which is called the working equid call working horse and the working horse build builds nations, we built America with the horse and the mule and draft horse. You know, that’s, that’s what, that’s how we built train tracks and streets and everything way back when we were developing nation and people were born. You could feed a horse but you you know, and so these countries, these communities, that’s the the working horses they’re everything in the meanest their pickup truck and their plow and their tractor and you know, hauls the water and the kids in the in the, you know, the grain from the fields, everything and there Highly malnourished because the people they don’t know much about nutrition at all. And they’re way overworked, they don’t get enough energy food. And it’s pretty deplorable. These animals are so important to them, but they don’t really know how to take care of them properly. They throw them you know, they’re working all day and then they throw them a bunch of corn husks at night for food. Or sometimes, you know, the grass might be belly deep, you know, on the side of these mountains of Guatemala. Grass looks beautiful, but they’re on the side of volcanoes which spews ash for the last millions of years. Soil is deplete of all kinds of nutrients that are eating the grass, but there’s no that’s washi there’s no nutrients. So they’ve got, you know, bone problems and foot problems and teeth problems and it’s Yeah, so they need help. And we wanted to launch a company that didn’t write a damn check at the end of the year as a donation. We wanted to create this was the idea was, we wanted to create a for profit business selling really awesome products that customers would love.
And that would fuel us being able to help the working horses. And thus the families in these poor communities, almost sort of like a recycle engine or a physical A Difference Engine where one feeds the other in a way that the bigger company grew, the bigger our giving would get. And it would just they would just be synergistic with each other. It was not going to be a pay we want to donate. It’s a it’s part of our fabric.
It was always meant to be that way because it requires more than just money. Basically, you have to educate,
right? Well, then it was sort of like having two companies in a way because, I mean, it’s logistically, I start telling you about the actual work we do down there. It’s a blow your
mind? Are you still going down personally and doing stuff? Oh, absolutely.
No, I wouldn’t mean we mean that if that’s all I was doing, I’d be very happy. And we’re getting there, you know, the we’re got some really great people on board now, managers in place that’s taken a lot of the load off of us. And we’re able to do more and more with the giving program and it’s growing even more. So we’re looking at some really exciting things coming forward. But at the very beginning back then, you know, we just had that idea. And so the three of us were sort of like a three legged stool. Rob, Rob’s a certain way kisa certainly and I’m a certain way and it sort of seemed like it fit and has proven to be that way. So we, we shut down their company and we launched one called animal stewards International, and we knew that it was going to be a house of brands, I thumbnail out this kind of how I want the brand structure. We’ll animal stewards is the holding company kind of like Johnson and Johnson. And then the first brand will be full bucket, we renamed the their company, their product line full bucket, because I thought it was a cool play on every animal should have a full bucket, you know and and design the brand identity and then we we started developing a few more products and then Rob is in charge of the actual giving program. And so he aligned with nonprofit organizations and we started going down to Mexico. This is 2011 and so we take our time we basically have a one for one program just like TOMS shoes for every dose of product we sell, we give to these animals need now, it’s way beyond that. We actually go down and we do we work with individuals in those communities to teach them how to trim their feet and float teeth and we’ve We’ve done some micro financing where we get give the young guys the tools to be able to do that because we do not want to be what’s called toxic charity. We don’t want to go down there and have welfare that’s why I hate it when people say we’re it’s a mission. It’s not a mission trip. It’s not a charity that’s welfare and I grew up next to the reservation and I know welfare can do to get a community of its its ambition, and
you have to be very careful. So I’m going to stop you but just real quick for the listeners who may not know if i may be incorrect You’re too when you float teeth when a veterinarian floats teeth. They’re basically using a file correct to make sure to see the dental health of the horse can break down the food because if they’ve been malnourished then they can have really bad teeth right there.
You know in mean you can fix a major skinny bad horse with by fixing their teeth. Amazing because you’ll you’ll look in the mouth and it’s it’s awful. It looks just like mean they’re sharp, and they’re scattered everywhere. And you know, some of these horses have a tooth, it’s going up. Every time they take a bite, it goes up into the soft tissue of the, you know, the upper palate. And it’s just worn a hole through all the way into the nasal cavity. Oh, and so you go in and you fix those teeth, and now they can actually eat properly without living in misery. And that’s Yeah, that’s we call it floating teeth. And then we trim the the hooves are all in terrible shape, and get them trimmed up so they can travel better. They break don’t break down over them.
Now, have you been able to take some of these people that you’ve been working with for a long time? And are they self sufficient? Now? Do you have areas and places you’ve gone? Absolutely.
I love it when people ask me. Yeah, there’s areas where, you know, I I remember three, four years ago, we were in a village and we work with the University of Guatemala and they’re veterinary program. And so we bring one of our goals. was to help the working horses. And the people that rely on them was also to create a bridge for others to join us. We wanted to create a, we knew we’re going to be laying this platform down, we wanted to create a bridge for other veterinarians to be able to go and experience and use their talents to do this. We want to create a bridge for the students, that students in Guatemala to be able to come up and experience veterinary work in the United States, which is the best in the world. And, and, and create a synergy between it all and it’s happening. And so, like I said, we we were very conscientious of replacing, you know, because we go into these communities and we do this work, well then no veterinarian can go in and, you know, have a business they will never be able to be you know, because these are, you know, subsistence farmers that don’t have much money but they have some
man I gotta ask you a question how do you how do you sit? I mean how do you survive being a farmer generation to generation and not have learned the techniques to keep your working animal I think that all the time the food to the table when I first came
back I I wrote about that I used to blog a lot back then and and I called it you know, I have not yet come down from that mountain. And I’m getting out for clamped even thinking about it, but was my first trip there and working and I remember thinking, you people have been living with these animals for 3000 years. You don’t know how to trim their feet, and you don’t know how to really feed them or anything. And it took me a couple of years of going and being there and these are wonderful people, these are these, these villages. Our kids are loving and I mean I can go and other details about some of these villages. The orphan rate is off the charts because the dads leave and and go north to work. And there’s a village full of women and children, and they’re everywhere and they don’t have any father figures. And so they just glom on us. Because we show them attention and love and they just oh, they’re so thirsty for so. The forgot you asked me a question about the thousands of Yes. So what it is, is its culture. It’s all culture bits. It’s a long standing chain of an use the word ignorance because it doesn’t mean they’re stupid. It just means they don’t know they’re unaware. And you have to understand that it’s, it’s eroding down there because the four years you grew up in a village, it’s hard to get to another village. You don’t have phones, and The internet and you’re chatting with people everywhere else. I mean, you’re in your village. And once in a while someone will come in and once in a while things happen. So for thousands of years, you were pretty secluded. And, and there wasn’t that. You know, here we are. We’re in the most innovative company ever. Our country ever started. We were we pioneered and started a new, you know, type of economy and political system and we’re built on innovation in this country, we we solve problems, right? inventions, and we think that way, if something’s broken, we’re always everyone’s thinking, like, how do I fix that? How do I make improve that? Not there? That’s just not their culture. their culture is, this is the way it’s done.
Do you think some of the natural catalyst kind of leaves with the the males also having to leave to go get work to send back money because They can’t teach the trade that maybe they haven’t to pick up even a little bit. I mean, what we have here is generations of building upon what your father did or what your grandfather did. And when you’re gone. Well, then you’re just like you said, it’s women and children, and they don’t have the same tradesmen ship passed down from generation.
Yeah, definitely that and no one. Like I said, I grew up in South Dakota. And I mean, we had a culture of sort of like that. You know, I mean, I can’t say that.
I’m different, because you were talking about how you were always the odd man out, but you were the odd man out and such a great way. thinking, well,
there’s some way well
know what I mean, always having that that creative thought that yeah, that you’ve stuck with this entire time, so that you were then able to channel that and help these people. So when you say come down from the mountain, you’re talking about that blog, you said you’d come down first trip?
Yeah, it was just so powerful because we went to Mexico and we were up in like these villages of 11,000 feet. You know, and there was a moment, you know, I’d been there but I was kind of numb, you know, you you’re seeing it all. And, and I was thinking to myself, you know, it really had hit me like, it was sort of like a dream. I was there, I knew that we were working on these animals on either these, these people were, you know, we’re needing our help, they don’t have access to those things. Here we are helping them out and
out of the fields.
There’s like the middle of the week, and I’d been there for a few days. And I was trying to put it all together and out of the field came the bunch of these kids, and they were brothers and sisters, and they were orphans and they had a donkey with them. They were pulling this donkey and the oldest daughter was sort of in charge of the family. Right? She’s in charge of the I think there was five of them all Together the the youngest the baby, she was carrying a baby. That was her. You know, her sister. Baby had to be maybe nine months 10 months. It’s hard to tell because they’re stunted growth, you know, and they’re all they’re just small people. I have a hard time gauge their age but baby and then they’re all dirty and they were shoeless and they were their clothes were just patters and traditional kind of dress just wore out tattered and and the oldest girl was probably nine.
And she’s in charge. She’s in charge. Dad had
something that happened to dad cartels, whatever. He was gone. And the mom died. And she brought was bringing this donkey in. She’s now nine taking care of the family. Oh my going out in the fields with the donkey. You know, kid, the other the siblings at play in the dirt. They lived. They live between two houses in this little alleyway thing. And it wasn’t houses Don’t get me wrong. These are cinder blocks with 10 over the top. You know, they’re domiciles but they’re not houses and they live between two and they came out of the field and there’s a I have a photo off to dig up of me. You know, the little one I was cleaning your face up and everything and and the clothes were you know, like they look like clothes it might have been brought by the Salvation Army or something you know, they were some of the clothes they had on or two like little hat a little sweater and things didn’t look like they were handmade. So I’m sure they were had gotten them through some sort of charity charitable deal, but they were just grimy and wore out. Sure you know they’ve been wearing them sometime and been weren’t washing them and That’s, you know, that’s the moment that stab my heart. And we finished up the work that week. And then we flew home. And when, when I got home, my wife and a bunch of our friends were in Fort Worth for this big there was some big event going on in town and there was a parties and, and it was all like all over town. It was like, you know, some sort of big thing and so I went there and everybody’s dressed up and you know, and I just get off the airplane and I’m still kind of grumpy I’m you know, I’m I’m still in my work clothes, but I just went straight there because, you know, and there I was, I was surrounded by excess, crazy access, like opulence almost you know that people are having fun and drinking there and they’re completely unaware of what I just experienced. And I was just I was sitting there. It was a flip flop. So, like I said, before I was when I was there, I was sort of like an outsider. And I was sort of felt like I was looking at everything through a window until I saw those kids. And then I was present. And I got it. So I go back, and I met this downtown Fort Worth. And I’m looking through a window. I was like,
This isn’t real. It I felt so removed. And I said,
I still haven’t come down from that mountain.
So I got over that, you know, ventually but
that was, you know, that. That made me understand the The reason we did what we were doing, and purpose.
Did you immediately talk to your wife and kids about the experience? Where did you hold it inside?
It took me a little while, you know, I would Give them snippets and tell them a little bit, you know, but as time went by get more and more, you know, involved with it. They haven’t been with me yet. I want them to go with me. We quit going to Mexico and we go to Guatemala and Nicaragua, Honduras, wherever. It’s safe enough, but mostly Guatemala, we have kind of a headquarters in Guatemala and our program is expanding their exponentially and, and a lot of the vet students that were on our first few trips have now become kind of part of our family. And they’ve been up in fact, there’s two of them up here right now doing internships in Texas.
And they’ll go back down and be a big add, you know, part of our program down there and help us manage it down there. But yeah, the program continues to grow and let’s let me just clarify so full bucket also pays for that. They pay for their travel and do stuff like that. Yeah, that’s so cool. Yeah. So the den we partner up with with different groups that Help. You know, there’s actually the there’s a program that is called the Aquarian initiative. It’s sort of a, it’s a veterinarian program. And we learned a lot from them, they were really helpful in the beginning. But those are all donation based programs. And the only way that they can continue is, you know, by going out and begging for money and getting funds on a continual basis. And, you know, we, we didn’t want that we, you know, we’re entrepreneurs, I get that, and I very much appreciate that. But we were entrepreneurs and you know, we’re going to break chip, we’re going to fix stuff when it needs fixed. We don’t want to go through committees. We Yeah, we ran into a lot. We’re like, Can we just do this? They’re like, yeah, we’re going to bring that up with the next committee. And maybe next year, we’ll roll it out. And let’s do it in the morning. Yeah. And so, you know, we’ve slowly growing our program more and more to be more just kind of by ourselves because that of that mentality has nothing to do with, you know, everyone’s doing trying to do good. We’re very keyed in on not creating toxic charity, not using welfare, trying to work with communities trying to figure out a way that they can all be sustainable. The nutrition problem, that’s going to be a tough one, education is helping a lot. And we’ve got people that are helping working on like, storing feed in the wintertime teaching them how to store feed during it’s not really wintertime, but the off seasons, the rainy seasons, which they, you know, preparing for that will help a lot. So we’re trying to figure out ways that we can do that. But ultimately, you know, like those nutrients that aren’t in the soil will always have to replace those. So we, the product that we we distribute down there is made in countries that we create jobs and Because I have factories in these countries now.
that we don’t own them the factories we we found, like feed mills and we we buy the ingredients and we have their people make the product for us. And and then we distribute it in the country trying to keep as much economic growth there as we can. Fantastic.
I think that is so cool. And then just really quick when you compare that to what you would consider a toxic charity, or the toxic charity mentality. What do you mean by that?
Well, I mean by that first of all, there’s a book called toxic charity. It’s not only kind of our Bible base, a really well written book. I mean, the guy did a great job. But it’s about it’s it’s not replacing what can be sustainable. So if, like I said, if if, if we teach the young men in the community how to trim the feet, and we set them up with the tools By the way, we micro finance because They say it’s better stick rate if they owe us forum and they won’t have to pay us back. If we teach them and show them how to run their own little business that’s sustainable. Now we’ve kind of broken that cycle. Now there’s someone there that knows how to trim feet, and he’ll get better and better. he’ll teach others and his sons will take over his business and pretty soon, feet problems are no longer a problem that area. Same with teeth. You know, D warming, that’s tougher, because it requires parasitics. So there’s some things that are tougher challenges to make sustainable. But really being conscientious of that always is the top level is, you know, don’t come in here and, and throw down your welfare, because you creates a state that you don’t want. So, but that’s where it is. Now.
I think that’s amazing. I think it’s because exactly what we’re talking about. It’s the Living on the island not really having this, you’re changing the culture. You guys are teaching the young men, they’re going to teach their sons and I think honestly, when the way you’re talking about it with how much you’re doing, I think 10 years is going to be a trader joes and a Starbucks there.
Yeah, you know, so maybe not maybe Starbucks because I couldn’t use one when I was there. They don’t have a good they grow the coffee for Starbucks. I export it all. Yeah, walking around, and they had all these vegetables on the side of the mountain. People with their donkeys out there harvesting, and I’m looking out there and I go, big, beautiful carrots and lettuce. But the people all eat just tortillas and beans. And there’s this beautiful vegetables and I go, I don’t they just eat those. Those. Well, those, those are going to beat you back to Texas in Walmart. You know, there’s a Walmart supply chain. Yeah. I said, Man, they should sneak some carrots because they’re beautiful. Wow.
Yeah. Well, it’s a crazy world. Denison him. I mean, I can’t believe that that’s that’s the end of two hours.
You know what I love? I like that you’d like to read. I like you’re a good storyteller, so I can’t wait to buy your book.
Yeah, I actually have a couple but I can’t tell you what they are here.
I wrote a memoir.
Max style written Yes. Charity book.
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