#27 How Social is Your Toilet?

Eric Rieger

Alright, you have now joined the gut check project. This is episode number 27. I’m here with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. I’m Eric Rieger. It’s 2020.

Ken Brown
We’re in a new decade. This is unbelievable.

Eric Rieger
So that’s interesting. Some people will say that the decade does not begin on years that end in zero, because when the calendar started, there was no Year Zero. It was let’s have a year this is year one. So lots of people end up saying technically a decade doesn’t start to the ones but nobody talks that way. When you say the roaring 20s it started 1920. So I’m on board with you. I think this is the beginning of a new decade.

Ken Brown
How did you…I mean, how could you say when you were born when it was BC, were you like I’m minus 20?

Eric Rieger
Yep, that’s pretty much what they did.

Ken Brown
Is that what they did? Yeah, they’d just walk up…

Eric Rieger
In 745 years they will begin to count. I think that’s how it went down.

Ken Brown
Is that how the whole the whole calendar went down? Like All right, everybody, we’re starting over.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, y’all are gonna love this. There’s gonna be a Messiah. We’re gonna start counting it’s gonna be great.

Ken Brown
I love it.

Eric Rieger
Well, today’s episode of course is brought to you by Atrantil developed by the guy right across the table from me Atrantil is a daily source of polyphenols to address issues of symptoms related to IBS, as well as definitely bloating.

Ken Brown
You know what I’m really getting into also is all the new information coming out with polyphenols in sports performance. Talking about how polyphenols actually can improve blood flow by increasing nitric oxide. I can’t wait till we can start working with some endurance athletes and start testing them to see if we can get some new prs and some of these people.

Eric Rieger
Hundred percent!

Ken Brown
If you’re running some marathons. If you think about it, if you’re an endurance athlete, like a triathlete or something, you know, I got my good friend Ron Tribendis who has his own podcast also tremendous chiropractor and he’s like high level performance and all that he actually sells Atrantil. But we were talking about that, that, you know, he gets so many of his clients that he trains and that are his patients that when they start training for these triathlons and marathons and they’re taking in all that goo and the high fructose stuff to try and or not even just the fructose based sugars to try and gain fuel from it. That’s when they start having gi distress. I feel like we can help all those people.

Eric Rieger
Definitely it’s interesting that you bring that up right off the bat because at CPSDA and the reason why this is important is Atrantil is chock full of polyphenols. That’s where the magic is. So that’s why discussing Atrantil leads us to talking about athletes and when I was at CPSDA about a year and a half ago. Joe Votel

Ken Brown
The PhD

Eric Rieger
The PhD from Exeter University over in Europe. She came over and they’ve done extensive research on multiple different research opportunities where they’ve shown that daily polyphenol intake and athletes will decrease recovery time, increase blood flow, just as you pointed out, increase nitric oxide production. These are things that serious athletes love to know. And it’s, it’s natural. Even more importantly, though, you can always say, get rest, or eat polyphenols or have some fruits. But ultimately, when someone wants to do it, it’s how much? And she was able to show that pre no, I’m sorry, proanthocyanidins, at 1000 milligrams per day was an optimal dose for active athletes. So anyhow…

Ken Brown
If you want it to get that, I mean, what would I have to eat? If it was like cherries or something.

Eric Rieger
If you wanted to have that. This was her example. It’s awesome. She showed that you would probably have to have four to five bowls of cherries or blueberries. Good fruits. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of high fructose or not high fructose. There’s a lot of fructose that’s in there. And serious athletes oftentimes don’t want to over load their daily sugar even if it happens to occur naturally now-separate debate. But she she quickly pointed out that if you could consume proanthocyanidins that did not have high fructose content, you’d have something magical and just so happens that Atrantil four capsules roughly equals 1000 milligrams of proanthocyanidins…

Ken Brown
I’ve actually had a lot of patients tell me that they do better. Oh, one thing we’re going to start doing in 2020, and we’re going to go back. Let’s just do a little disclaimer here. Although I am a real doctor.

Eric Rieger
Yeah.

Ken Brown
Do not take this as medical advice for that weird rash or that unusual, extra toe growing out or something. Go see a doctor, don’t listen to us. We’re here to have fun, possibly educate a little bit but more importantly, help everyone to discover some new things because that’s what we want to do. We want to find new things in the literature, new things that are coming out and make sure that everyone can biohack in the way that we have tested on ourselves. So

Eric Rieger
Definitely. So find Atrantil at antrantil.com or lovemytummy.com is much easier to remember, forward slash kbmd Atrantil lovemytummy.com/kbmd. Not just for bloating, it’s also for athletes. It’s really for everyone.

Ken Brown
It really is. And so that’s how I mean it’s…this is fun. In fact, this brings me up to something so I just shot a video for this. We have a new website that has launched

Eric Rieger
finally,

Ken Brown
Finally! So go to kbmdhealth.com. Check it out, give us your feedback. There’s going to be a video there where I kind of get into the things that I like the things that I like our biohacking CBD, I’ll try and deal with polyphenols and making sure that you can have access to some of the best vetted supplements meaning a lot of the stuff that people are buying may not actually benefit you or may have something dangerous in it. In fact, there was um, I need to find out what she had. But there was a news article here in the DFW Metroplex, a very unfortunate 23 year old, who was taking some woman’s multi weight management. They didn’t say the name of the product or what was in it.

Eric Rieger
Sure.

Ken Brown
But unfortunately, they believe that that actually caused daily drug induced liver injury. So that’s one of the things when I’ve had patients come in, and you find out that they’re on a supplement, but that supplement is not third party tested or that supplement is coming in from someplace else. Anything can happen to anybody. I understand that you can have a bad reaction, you can have an allergic reaction to something but make sure that you’re at least if you’re going out trying some different things to make sure it’s third party tested, which is why we have the kbmd health subscription box.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, we, definitely you can find that health subscription box prominently located on the right side of the new kbmchealth.com.

Ken Brown
I think it looks so nice. You did an excellent job.

Eric Rieger
I did not do that. That was was the help of Stephen and people that understand how to build websites. So our bad website that we had before was me. And we moved over to a real one.

Ken Brown
Which is an awesome website for CRNA.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, that’s exactly right. So if you want me to build a home, and you want to say I got a home built by a CRNA, and it may or may not have a door that closes, you should totally ask me to do it. But otherwise, no, Stephen and Drew and Mark did a great job I think putting together a pretty cool, easy to understand website. And just so that everyone knows there are new pieces going to be added as time goes along. We have a large repository of CBD information that’s going to be added to the website. We’ve got ways for people to access videos where they can get educated on on things that may not have anything to do specifically with polyphenols or CBD we there’s a lot of things they’re going to add to the site. They’ll be easy to find.

Ken Brown
This is so exciting because we’ve done so much background work of trying to set the store up trying to do different things now we can start to really interact with everybody. We want this to be a community. One of the things that can lead to disease is the feeling of loneliness. So if you’re feeling lonely might as well join this community, hit us up, say, Hey, I read this article on this, can you look into it? And that’s kind of what I want this podcast to grow into where we can sort of play. We can vet stuff, we can get new stuff out there, we can get people communicating. Look at all our patients that show up and they’re like hey I watch your show. I would like to come on and talk about this like, yeah,

Eric Rieger
Yeah, happens happens more often than I would have expected, especially as early as we’ve been doing this.

Ken Brown
Oh, you wanna know. Another way we’re going to get a lot more people here…our friend Dan Clark. brain.fm. Yes. So we we have this we have been fortunate enough to meet this incredibly intelligent CEO named Dan Clark, who was named I think 30 under 30 in Forbes. Yeah, well, they have a app that when you put headphones on, does something called neural phase locking neural phase locking, which some people confuse it with binaural beats like I did, but what it does It stimulates various areas of your brain so you can calm down or wake up. I actually when I actually use it to go to sleep, and I use it to wake up, and that’s when you and I were talking, and we’re going to start out seeing if this can help calm down my patients before colonoscopy, and help them wake up quicker. So if you’re listening to this, and you need a colonoscopy, you can be part of something really cool. No, it’s it’s just headphones and music. So it’s not dangerous, it’s going to be really cool. And we’re going to get some really neat data out of this. When we tried it on our first eight patients they all loved it.

Eric Rieger
They all loved it. There was it wasn’t just an absence of complaints. It was really just robust compliments and thanks so much for letting me be a part of it.

Ken Brown
Can you imagine if you’re sitting in the waiting room of a of a dentist’s office or something that you really don’t like or your gynecologist or whatever it is, I’m using doctors but this could be the IRS or whatever, putting some headphones on and taking yourself down and calming from the brain which will then tell the cortisol to decrease and everything will calm down. It will be all good. That’s it. That’s a whole new level of science, which I’m super excited about. Because there’s really no side effects. It’s music.

Eric Rieger
It’s just music. And it’s actually really, really cool.

Ken Brown
Based on science. Music based on science with functional MRIs and everything. They’ve got some studies where they showed a the relaxation scores of people that have listened to the most “relaxing” music are having the most relaxing and then the control was Coldplay, which I thought was really funny in their study, and then they had them listen to brain.fm and unequivocably all the people that had brain FM felt much more relaxed. So there is some really cool science to this. Now we’re just going to add some objective data. And maybe we’ll be able to get some patients that absolutely love it. This is this could be the future of what we’re going to do. You use less medicines. My patients are happier and it’s a win win win for everybody.

Eric Rieger
Anything that we can do to make the experience of going in for an elective procedure or any really any stressful situation, but if we know that we can help people feel better, why not try it and it’s just sound so we know we’re not causing pain or harm.

Ken Brown
So I’m going to like I’m trying to get my kids with this where if they are getting ready to like so my kids play tennis, which is where the family is right now they’re in Florida winter nationals. In fact, Lucas i think is in the throes of a match right now he’s still in it. They’ve been there since last Thursday.

Eric Rieger
Right on.

Ken Brown
Yeah, they’ve been there for four weeks. So the you know, you go home when you lose and he did he’s out of the main draw. He’d lost in a really tough third set battle but mentally came back and has won three more matches which is which I think is the coolest thing when you lose to not just let your give up right there but and so he uses he actually uses my account at brainfm. Don’t tell Dan that we’re sharing an account. He uses my account for whenever he studies and so he likes it so yeah, I think that that’s it I think it’s super exciting. So what’s going on? Oh, how were your holidays?

Eric Rieger
Holidays were great. We had we had family in town for for Christmas to come visit we cooked steaks we chilled out we I mean we saw everyone we saw everyone on my side of the family, on Marie’s side of the family it was it was a lot of fun. The boys the last obviously just like Lucas and Carla, they had basketball tournaments. Mac had a great tournament for the junior varsity. They really played up for the JV. They played bigger schools, they ended up closing out their last game they won by 30.

Ken Brown
Won by 30?

Eric Rieger
Yea. So they were really happy with being able to close up the tournament with that. Mac and his whole team. I mean, they’re really preparing to next year they’ll all be on varsity. So he he and his brother get along great. He just wants to be able to contribute just like his older brother did, who actually competed in one of the nation’s longest I think the top four or top five longest running high school basketball tournaments and that’s the Whataburger tournament and Gage’s Decatur Eagles, second year in a row, won the whole tournament. And Gage was named all tournament.

Ken Brown
Woo, woo. Go Gage!

Eric Rieger
Yea. He played. He played really well. Super proud of both of the boys. It’s I mean, it’s just It’s fortunate to have to have these opportunities with your kids. I wasn’t an athlete like that. So it’s just so much fun to watch them work so hard and achieve and they do it as a team for them.

Ken Brown
You’re not concerned that gage is going to try to be like Al Bundy sitting on a couch talking about his 2019 glory year of basketball when he’s like 45.

Eric Rieger
We talked about it every night. To make sure he doesn’t do it.

Ken Brown
Don’t be Al Bundy.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, we use the brain FM anti Bundy music track.

Ken Brown
Yea, we have to make sure that he continues to succeed in other areas. He committed to Texas Tech so that’s a good start.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, he’s gonna play there…intramural, but he’ll play there.

Ken Brown
There we go.

Eric Rieger
There we go. Well, let’s let’s get into it. So

Ken Brown
Yeah, well, I got one other thing that’s super cool over the holidays. Oh, by the way, I’m one and a half days into my five day fast. I’m starting the year with a fast.

Eric Rieger
Nice. Good for you.

Ken Brown
Yeah, so we’re that’s where I’m at to get my get my water tea broth kind of thing. Just going to try and do that to liquid fast. So we’ll see how that goes. Speaking of fasting, got a really cool contact. Do you remember Melanie Avalon podcasts intermittent fasting podcast

Eric Rieger
I definitely remember Melanie

Ken Brown
Super cool person very smart you know crushes it on the on the whole podcast scene. Well, she contacted me and she has a new app out. Oh no. Yeah, really cool an app called the food sense guide. I need a favor from you.

Eric Rieger
Okay.

Ken Brown
It’s a searchable comprehensive guide to over 300 plus foods for general levels of different things like the amines, fodmaps glutamates, gluten, histamine, lectins, oxalates, salicylates, sulfites, and so on. If you don’t know what any of those are, it’s because you’re very fortunate, and you don’t have to worry about what you eat. But that world is my patients. They come in and we talk about diet. So now this is gonna be really cool. I’ll be able to help Melanie out, put my patients on it. Unfortunately, it’s not on Android yet. And I got a Google Pixel. So I’m going to have you download it and then we’re going to play with it and then we’re going to post a review for her. And if anybody else wants to download that, it’s the what did I say it was it’s the food sense guide on the iTunes it’s for iPhones only now. So take a look at it if you’ve got food sensitivity or anything like that, or your doctor said, try fodmap or you just want to try some different things. It’s a great start.

Eric Rieger
Food sense guide. Sense?

Ken Brown
Yeah, food sense guide.

Eric Rieger
Food sense guide. Yeah, download that from Melanie. She runs a great podcast, actually two different podcasts. And she does an awesome job of keeping her audience up to date with the latest information. So I’d feel completely comfortable in going ahead and recommending it as we try it.

Ken Brown
Absolutely. And we’ll get to we’ll eventually get a code for everybody that maybe we can get a code so that they can get a little discount or something. Who knows. Let’s start the new year out. I want to ask you a question.

Eric Rieger
I’m ready.

Ken Brown
I want you to be honest.

Eric Rieger
Okay.

Ken Brown
Do you use your phone when you’re in the bathroom? Much like our mascot here? Gutsy. Do you use your phone like him when you’re in the bathroom?

Eric Rieger
As much as I want to say no, that’s not true.

Ken Brown
Well, as it turns out, you are not alone.

Eric Rieger
I didn’t think it was.

Ken Brown
Different studies have shown that up to 75% of Americans do this. So, next time you’re scrolling through on your Instagram, and you see that sexy Instagram model picture, there’s a good chance she’s sitting on the toilet while doing that, while she’s posting. Think about that for a moment.

Eric Rieger
That’s where the work that’s where the work is done.

Ken Brown
That’s where that’s what they’re saying is that many a lot of the Instagram posts and everything are probably done when people have a little alone time when they’ve they’ve taken their photo shoots and then it’s time to upload it.

Eric Rieger
It’s funny, they say probably with a with the GPS stuff that you give up just by using those apps, they probably know that that’s where you

Ken Brown
Well, they certainly know for sure. On 20% of the people to do it because 20% of Americans have admitted to dropping their phone in the toilet.

Eric Rieger
Oh, and I’ve not done that.

Ken Brown
20%

Eric Rieger
Yeah, I’m in the other four out of five. I have not done that. And I don’t know that I would reach in to grab it. That just may be it.

Ken Brown
I think that’s why I think that’s why the new iPhone is bragging so much about being waterproof. That’s what that’s what the commercial should be. It should be an Instagram model that drops it in the toilet. She’s like, eh, grabs it and pulls it up, keeps going.

Eric Rieger
Now I don’t think it should be that they may make one like that.

Ken Brown
Now, wait a minute. As a gastroenterologist, I encourage everyone, to when you sit on the toilet, I want you to snap, tweet, Facebook, Insta, play Words with Friends or whatever it is that people do buy Atrantil online through, you know, through the website, and you can do any of that. Because when you sit on that toilet for a long time, you’re going to create hemorrhoids. I love hemorrhoids. I love treating hemorrhoids. So I encourage everyone to go ahead and do that. But almost everyone, almost, I’m not gonna encourage my employees to do it.

Eric Rieger
No No you probably wouldn’t, because that would run up a bill on the opposite end trying to care for it.

Unknown Speaker
Well, it would also run up the It would also decrease the productivity.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, probably so

Ken Brown
And leave it up to the Brits to figure this part out.

Eric Rieger
What’s that?

Ken Brown
Well, this is all leading up to a study, I was actually going somewhere with all this. I know you’re looking at me like why are you focusing on the phone in the toilet so much?

Eric Rieger
Well, I mean, I was but I was I was genuinely interested.

Ken Brown
So let me ask you, in the UK, it’s estimated that the lack of productivity due to extended toilet breaks, is costing the United Kingdom $7.5 billion dollars a year.

Eric Rieger
7.5 billion?

Ken Brown
Yeah. So you’re the chancellor, Emperor of England. Is that Emperor now? or What is it? It’s a…

Eric Rieger
Guardian?

Ken Brown
Guardian?

Eric Rieger
Yeah.

Ken Brown
Okay.

Eric Rieger
Something like that.

Ken Brown
That’s beacuase I’m wearing my guardians of the galaxy shirt.

Eric Rieger
That’s exactly where I got that from.

Ken Brown
All right. I want to know, Eric Rieger. What would you do if you were president of united states and you say, we can We can improve our our overall bottom line by getting people to get off their phones while they’re in the bathroom.

Eric Rieger
What would I do about it? Oh my goodness I if I honestly I just don’t even have a smart alec answer. Scramblers? Not really sure.

Ken Brown
Well, I was thinking about that also cuz I’m like, where’s where’s this article going? Where they’re talking about people $7.5 billion being lost like every time you know, you go to the bathroom, you just go to Cha-Ching.

Ken Brown
Seems like a lot seems like overkill and it seems like thers… So as it turns out, there was a who is now CEO of a company, a British designer was waiting to use the restroom at a truck stop while waiting for stalls to open up. And what he noticed is that all these guys were coming out holding their phones, and he was getting super annoyed because he had to use the bathroom and everything was taking a long time. Yeah. So it occurred to him that this is probably going on at work. So he designed a toilet that slants eight to 13 degrees down.

Eric Rieger
It seems like a lot though.

Eric Rieger
You know what I saw this.

Ken Brown
You did?

Eric Rieger
I saw the design, it looks like it was very uncomfortable to sit there for a very long time. is that right?

Ken Brown
They purposely built a toilet so it’s uncomfortable to sit in. Actually, what it does is and you can choose so if you’re like, if you’re a nice boss, you just do eight degrees, you do 13 degrees and what it does, it makes you kind of stand up so your quads burn. So you have all these now you can start seeing all kinds of Instagram models with giant quads and just big legs. It’s gonna move from the Kardashian bottom to the to the Insta thighs that look like a good leg press. 1000 pounds, but so it’s making them uncomfortable. What’s your thoughts on that?

Eric Rieger
Man, I don’t know. It It’s interesting, I don’t think that you can. I think what we, where we are right now is we’ve just identified a in terms of the employer. A time waste is what they feel like. But I feel like that people have been finding ways to waste time since the dawn of time. I don’t know that you’re really gonna curve anything. In fact, I would say that there are probably some who’s still trying to remain productive by answering email. I mean, I don’t know what they’re calculating. There’s 7.5 billion on that of those who just can answer text or email. I’m just throwing that out there.

Ken Brown
Oh, yeah. That wasn’t taking into account maybe it’s more productive for some people.

Eric Rieger
Yeah. I mean, it probably really could be better.

Ken Brown
But you’re saying like since the dawn of time, what were those people that would send Telegraph’s Do you think the guy would like take it into the bathroom and go?

Eric Rieger
Yeah, you got an extension here. Little extension cord is one in there.

Ken Brown
And it’s been going on since the dawn of time.

Eric Rieger
Beedle E Beat where ever he was to do that. Is that the correct word for it? From Western Union?

Ken Brown
Yeah, exactly. It’s the Western Union person I’m thinking. That’s exactly

Eric Rieger
I don’t know. I mean, a slanted toilet though I mean, for those who don’t waste time in the in the bathroom, it seems like a disservice to them to have to be on an uncomfortable toilet.

Ken Brown
So it got me thinking a little bit. So I just found the article kind of funny. And I thought it’d be interesting to talk about here. But now let’s science it up a little bit. So the reality is, what they’re doing is they’re actually, so there is something called the optimal angle of defication

Eric Rieger
Wouldn’t that be undoing that?

Ken Brown
It’s undoing it. So it’s going to be counterproductive. Yes, they might be off their phones, but they’re not going to have an effective bowel movement.

Eric Rieger
Sounds to me like they won’t evacuate as well.

Ken Brown
And it’ll take them longer to evacuate leading…

Ken Brown
Multiple trips, leading to more Hemorrhoids and things like that. So the whole concept of Oh, I’m just going to make this uncomfortable, is going to completely backfire. In fact, in 2011, I did a whole blog on this. If you go to Kenneth Brown, MD. com, I did a blog on the angle of defication. And what they did is some Japanese scientists, they took people and they well, it’s unfortunate, but they took medical students, and they actually put radio paste in their bottoms, so they can watch them deficate. And then they had them do this multiple times with various angles. So they did it was like an engineering type thing. You can see the perfect angle. And the reason why we need a certain angle is that we have muscles down there, one of them called the puborectalis muscle. And when it doesn’t completely relax, well, you can end up having a very ineffective bowel movement. So when I talk to my patients, I say, do you get the urge to go to the restroom? They say yes. When you go to the restroom, do you feel that you are fully evacuated? They’re like, No, I have to strain a lot. Are they constipated? And by constipation meaning are you just not getting the urge but when you have the urge, you can’t get it out. In my mind. That’s not constipation. That is an evacuation issue that is pelvic floor. Dis synergy is what the actual medical term is. Wow. So there’s little tricks to fix that. And it’s the exact opposite of what this toilet is. The first trick is you actually get your knees above your hips. That’s how squatty pottys making a living they’re getting people to do that.

Eric Rieger
Multiple trips.

Eric Rieger
That’swhat they do.

Ken Brown
And then if you lean slightly forward, what they figured out is you get that muscle to kind of come out of the way. One of the things is, I started really thinking about this the reason why I wrote the blogs because one of my patients said, Hey, whenever I go camping, I don’t ever feel constipated. Why is that? I’m like, do you dig a hole in the ground? She goes, Yeah, yeah, cuz like, Okay, she goes camping a lot, she’s like, and you dig a hole in the ground, you’re squatting so we’re one of the few countries well now England for sure. But we’re one of the few countries Well, I just take it back. Western countries use toilets, but most of the countries that don’t use aboveground toilets do not have hemorrhoid or constipation issues.

Eric Rieger
No they’re in optimal defication pose.

Ken Brown
They’re, an optimal defication pose so I just thought it was kind of interesting that somebody would go around and and purposely build a toilet. And I started thinking of all my patients that have like serious issues, Chrone’s, colitis, irritable bowel, bacterial. It’s it was described by a couple people on Twitter as a dystonia, dystonia era in the bathroom.

Eric Rieger
Yeah. I mean, somebody’s always gonna go a little too far. Yeah. I mean, so what were alternatives be, I’ve noticed that there are certain bathrooms that maybe only have like one or two stalls, and oftentimes because they aren’t frequented, they’ll have the motion detector. And I’ve heard stories that people saying that they they knew they were in there too long because the motion detector timed out and they were in there in the light went off. You know, so, I mean, I think there are other there are other ways that won’t actually hamper your natural ability to use the bathroom, but maybe we’ll get your attention that you’ve been there too long, whether it be lights off, you know, clicking off or maybe a bell with a lock on the stall doors been engaged for too long or who knows?

Ken Brown
You know what? Something that might work. Also, did you see that YouTube video of Mark Rober with the exploding glitter bomb for the porch porch pirates?

Eric Rieger
Oh yeah I did it the the parcel box it just basically shredded and sprayed

Ken Brown
And sprays glitter.

Eric Rieger
Yeah.

Ken Brown
For people that that actually steal it. It’s I mean, he’s gotten tons of notoriety. Yes, he’s been on Jimmy Kimmel a bunch of other things, just little mini little things and have a timer that some people walked out they were glitter on their face. Ahh a little too long huh? It’s the Mark Rober bathroom bathroom optimizer?

Eric Rieger
Yeah. I mean, it seems. Again, it seems aggressive for somebody who may actually have a legitimate issue but I mean, you probably could be a little bit more inventive than creating a disadvantage for everyone that needs to use your your toilet.

Ken Brown
Yeah, I thought that was kind of an interesting way to start a year. You show up to your job. And you’re like has anyone seen those toilets yet?

Eric Rieger
Well, when I saw that, I mean, I almost think it was a YouTube TV news story or something like that. Because when regardless, it doesn’t matter. I saw over the holiday, but I thought it was a joke. So I didn’t think it was real. I saw better I saw them showing the plane and then the the angle down of the toilet drawn there but I had no idea that was a serious solution proposed by somebody I thought it was other than being silly. Yeah, so it is pretty silly anyway

Ken Brown
Lead line them so you can’t get Wi Fi or phone signal.

Eric Rieger
Yeah I mean that that would probably be the quickest expediter and would filter the right people out right?

Ken Brown
Oh, they’ll die from lead poisoning eventually. That will filter them.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, but I mean you would definitely filter the right people out because you wouldn’t have you or at least have a scrambler because you could the people who are legitimately need to be in it for a long time are going to be there no matter what. And the people that were wanting to play on the phone couldn’t access their phone.

Ken Brown
Yeah, but in in all seriousness, it is. It is a really big deal in my field hemorrhoids rectal bleeding if you do this, go to YouTube and take a look at our rectal bleeding video so that you’re not too concerned. And then we can if you’re local, make an appointment to fix those hemorrhoids

Eric Rieger
We got a cool e book coming out here pretty soon they’ll be able to make public yeah That’ll be not only will it have a couple of suggestions for solutions that you can participate in, but pretty soon it will have more than one option and I can’t really talk about it today, but I’m excited about that.

Ken Brown
Awesome. What else you got on your mind?

Eric Rieger
I really don’t. I mean, we’re starting off a new year, new year for everyone and it’s 2020 I think it’s got a lot of cool plays on on words. It was pointed out to me earlier this morning that just as a quick PSA, if you’re writing a check, or something that requires the date for you to have written in normally in the past, you may have written October 3 2019 is /19. You probably want to go ahead and write out the 2020. Okay, somebody else could miss date for whatever advantage that they may have. If you happen to run a 20 somebody else could follow in and put a one eight or 190 Yes, a trailer on there and possibly do something to a document just a little anectdotal has nothing to do it today. But then again, it does. So maybe just to protect yourself right out 2020 I don’t know. I have no idea there’s any legitimacy to that or not, but it’s interesting.

Ken Brown
So we that is Eric’s public service announcement of the day. I wish I had one of those little shooting star things that you know

Ken Brown
Yeah. The more you know.

Eric Rieger
The more you know,

Ken Brown
Eric’s The more you know, segment

Eric Rieger
Maybe Paul will give us a little wind chime or something right there.

Ken Brown
You want to get nerdy for a moment?

Eric Rieger
Let’s do it.

Ken Brown
Alright, so there’s a there’s been a lot going on in the news. A lot of stuff has been published. We haven’t a chance to talk about. Something I came across that is a passion of mine, you know that one of my big things. I there are epidemics going on right now. And we know that autism is an epidemic,we know that autoimmune is increasing. Well, the other one that I’m you know, really want to fix because I feel like you spent a whole life loving, hurting, living seeing things collecting memories, and then dementia and Alzheimer’s sets it. To me, that’s one of the most horrific diseases that are going on. And it’s exponentially increasing. And there’s a lot of confusion as to or there’s a lot of reasons as to why. But a recent study just came out of the University of Berkeley, it was in December 2019. It came on out of the Journal of science and translational medicine. What they did is they looked at essentially senile mice, and they’re trying to figure out what made some of these mice and they were given them different markers to see if they could create neuro inflammation or brain inflammation. Well, as it turns out, even if they looked as the mice aged, almost all of them started having decreased cognition, especially fed on the typical human or Western diet. Yeah, the American diet.

Eric Rieger
I think I know where we’re going.

Ken Brown
So very Interesting what they did is they talked about this in a very unique way. I’ve never heard of scientists going down this path. And this is University of Berkeley. This is you know, these are these are legit people that are finding something they had their aha moment that you and I’ve talked about a bunch. What they found is we used to think or the trend right now not we used to because the current trend is is that the aged brain ages in the same way that everything else does. You have neuro degeneration, you have less nerve cells, you’ve got decreased capacity to learn more and all these other things. There are some people that believe it’s micro infarction, there are some people that believe that it’s amyloid plaques, but either way, your nerve function is decreasing. So age involves loss of function and dead cells, generally speaking, which is how we age. But there’s new data to tell a totally different story about why the aged brain is not functioning well. It is because of the fog of inflammatory load.

Eric Rieger
Make sense.

Ken Brown
And my we always talk about this patients that come in with irritable bowel bacterial overgrowth. They’re like, Man, I’m not right, I’m in a brain fog. Now we realize that that brain fog could potentially be an inflammatory load in this mouse model, they’re showing that. So when you remove that inflammatory fog, they call it the inflammatory fog. When you remove that inflammatory process within days, the brain starts acting like a young brain.

Eric Rieger
That’s impressive that they’ve been able to kind of morally morally more establish this connection because it wasn’t that long ago that we were before we even started the podcast having a discussion that if you have a leaky gut, more or less, it’s probably correlating with a leaky brain, right? So if you have permeability issues in your gut, chances are it’s a systemic issue, and it’s occurring, what they call the blood brain barrier, which protects your brain

Ken Brown
100% I think it is interesting you brought up morally because unlike the gavage study that we talked about a few weeks ago about the CBD, just gavaging tube down the mouse and just pouring buckets of it. These guys are actually waking or like helping these mice out there like, hey, look, you got a young brain now. So, more and more research is showing that with age, the filtration system, that’s that blood brain barrier prevents molecules or infectious organisms from the blood leaking into the brain. This is the blood brain barrier, like I was saying, over time. In fact, they were showing that after the age of 70, it becomes more and more leaky, letting in chemicals that cause inflammation and a cascade, which ultimately creates this brain fog, which ultimately does lead to cell death. So after age 70, nearly 60% of adults have leaky brain barriers. I’ll say that again. After age 70. Nearly 60% of adults have a leaky blood brain barrier and this is according to some really cool things. This is a MRI studies where they’re looking at this, this is functional MRI studies. So it isn’t just, you know, we can’t really get in there and biopsy the brain and do these different things. So the inflammatory fog induced by leaky blood brain barrier alters the mouse’s normal rhythms. And in these mice, this is fascinating. And I’ll say it again, because my patients come in and they’re like, I’m not right. I just feel like I’m just not firing on all cylinders. They showed in these mice, the very first signs of this are micro seizure like events, little tiny little seizures. It’s not a total, it’s not a total seizure, where your body does just in these little areas, like momentary lapses in the normal rhythm within the hippocampus.

Eric Rieger
Interesting.

Ken Brown
Alright, so now think about this. We talked early on about the neural phase programming, or neural phase locking. So the brain is an electrical impulse, everything comes down to this. This study shows that when you have leaky brain caused most likely by leaky gut, that you’re going to have an electrical impedance problem, which they’re detecting through eeg, or different processes as micro seizures. So everything comes down to electricity in the brain. So it’s it’s really interesting that I wonder if the science and neural phase locking could get to the point where you could counteract some of the seizures that are going on. That’s a whole separate discussion, but it just gets you thinking. It’s like hmm.

Eric Rieger
It does get you thinking, but it also makes me wonder, a couple of different questions. One would, how would a lay person be able to identify they had a micro seizure? Two would be how do I control inflammation because it sounds to me like concentrated inflammation is putting me a risk of developing these issues are being a part of the 70% over 70 having these problems, right. And then three, the people that don’t or the mice that didn’t show that they had these breakdowns in their blood brain barrier were they without significant inflammation universally. So were they comparing these two and showing that we had people or mice that didn’t have inflammation and they didn’t exhibit these problems, see what I’m saying?

Ken Brown
Oh, yeah.

Eric Rieger
So or and then I guess the fourth would be would that number be as high in a country that didn’t consume a traditional Western diet every day? And maybe had more polyphenols or Mediterranean style diet?

Ken Brown
Very interesting fact. I will just look at this not to get off topic. I’m going to finish this. Yeah. And then we’re going to talk about that because I watched a Netflix thing and I want to just briefly hit on because i’m really confused.

Eric Rieger
Was it the office? No? Okay.

Ken Brown
When you have this these little micro seizures, what they found in this mice is it produced some of the same symptoms seen in diseases like Alzheimer’s and they were able to show with EEG’s, really sensitive EEG’s. That’s what neurologists will put the, all those little wires attached to a head. And they can see if somebody’s seizing, they could see this and really tiny little levels, they revealed very similar wave disruption, or they were showing a paroxysmal slow wave event. Literally, the inflammation was slowing your brainwaves down. Yeah, all my patients that go, I’m just not on, something’s off. Their brain is being slowed. It’s like trying to go through molasses as it’s trying to conduct a current. So in a normal human with epilepsy with cognitive dysfunction, they can actually show that there’s mild cognitive impairment. So even if you’re not having the seizures, they can actually show that you could probably function at a higher level if you can get that fixed. So what’s really cool about this paper is you were saying how do I know that this is happening? Right? This is the first time ever these The reason why I think this is a seminal article is because the papers give Doctors, two biomarkers. These two biomarkers are leaky barriers detectable by MRI and abnormal brain rhythm detectable by eeg, what they’ve been able to show is even in humans, young brain, old brain, they can show the leakiness of it or the permeability. And then they can show where that’s happening, that there’s increased micro seizure activity going on. really fascinating because what this allows it to do is it is a tool to say, Oh, I mean, that would be awesome. If I could, my patients were to come in, and I’m like, Look, we’re trying to figure out if you’ve got leaky gut due to bacterial overgrowth, or whatever. And remember, nobody’s been saying leaky. I mean, I’ve been saying leaky for five years, and people were laughing at me and now you’ve got people like at the Mayo saying leaky gut, now you’ve gotten these guys saying leaky brain. I mean, clearly, we’re just defining something that inflammation is bad if you can keep inflammation out of your brain in any way possible. And that includes trauma and that includes drugs, alcohol, all that stuff, you’re just going to be better off

Eric Rieger
Hundred percent I can remember we we tried to find five years ago if if leaky gut was anything that anybody was searching for. And at that time, the answer was no. And nowit’s everywhere. Yeah, so it’s applicable.

Ken Brown
Yeah. And so what’s what’s really cool is, you know, you can imagine if I could take these, I could take a patient and say, Oh, you’re you’re having leaky brain, much like checking a low density lipoprotein or, and all the other cholesterol markers that we do to try and predict if you’re gonna have a heart attack, if I can get in there and go, okay, you’re having some leaky brain and some inflammatory process going on in your in in your brain. You’re 40 years old. We need to stop this. And we now have a marker where we can do this through change in diet, protecting your gut, taking the polyphenols, things like that. Then we can show that that’s going to decrease and then you do in a preventative thing for dimentia. Yeah, super cool. Now these guys are going to take it one step further. And they’re not, I don’t blame them. But they’re, they’ve come together and raise some money and they’re going to try and develop a drug to seal the blood brain barrier.

Eric Rieger
Okay?

Ken Brown
Make sense? I mean, you figured that out, they want to slow and reverse this, they have started this company to develop a drug to heal the blood brain barrier for clinical treatment. Now, that being said, I’m a little bit biased, because I believe that the inflammation doesn’t start in the brain it can’t. It’s not like the something has to be out of the brain. Think about this for a moment. And they didn’t get into this at all. They didn’t talk gut at all. To cross the blood brain barrier, you must be coming from outside of the brain. So the blood something in the blood is inflammatory goes into your brain, and your brain reacts to it and then you have the fog or the heaviness of inflammation.

Eric Rieger
This is not an just just for the listeners. The blood brain barrier itself is not a new concept we have drugs that we know that do and do not cross the blood brain barrier that apply to all kinds of different diseases or anesthesia that we use with patients.

Ken Brown
Yeah, as an anesthesia provider. This is this is your world. Because your job is to get those drugs past that so that you can calm the brain down.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, I mean, there there are some Anticholinergics that we know that do and technically do not cross the blood brain barrier. But every now and then, and then aged patients, some of those that we felt like shouldn’t cross the blood, the blood brain barrier I can, I can still remember looking back and it’s going well, we didn’t think we would get that response with this. But we also weren’t talking about leaky brain a decade ago. We weren’t talking in those terms. And it’s kind of exciting because I think that we’re rounding a corner really understanding the systemic effect of bad gut health and how it actually affects the entire body.

Ken Brown
What’sso one of the one of the problems I run into in traditional medicine is when I talk to my colleagues, I’ll be like, Oh, I haven’t seen a study on that. You want some water? Yeah. They’ll say, Well, I haven’t seen, I haven’t seen a clinical trial on this. And the, the only way that clinical trials can get done in these kind of things, is to go through either a huge NIH grant to have a big pharmaceutical company pay for something like this. But what you need to do is look at the objective data, like this mouse study here. We’re not talking whether a drug can do stuff, what we’re showing is that there is a comparative analysis between a young mouse and a young human, and you do this functional MRI study, and an old mouse and an old human and you show the intestinal permeability, or I’m sure you show the blood brain permeability, and you can show that there’s a cognitive decline. So we can agree if we can agree that and if I’m talking to even a skeptic, they’ll be like I don’t believe in that the blood right, but we know you just said the blood brain barrier is a selective brain barrier. Yep. The gut blood barrier. So the gut barrier, the tight junctions is a select permeable barrier permeable, its job is to let certain things in, keep certain things out. When you disrupt this, it can allow too many things in. So let’s start with the gut. And let’s just assume that you have something happened infection, drugs, bacterial overgrowth, and it causes an inflammatory response. Different things like zonulin show up which lead to some intestinal permeability, then that turns on your inflammatory cascade, and now you’ve got these little inflammatory markers floating around the blood. These guys believe that they can develop a drug that will actually block TNF beta. I think? Because that’s what they’re going to go after, so they’re gonna, they’re gonna try and chase the inflammation in the brain. I’m opposite.

Eric Rieger
Let’s just stop inflammation.

Ken Brown
Let’s just stop the inflammation. So there was that one study, I think you’re making small reference to where they actually looked. And they took human intestinal tissue and then they took a blood brain barrier tissue, so cadaver tissue, and they did an impedance study where they soak the tissue in some inflammatory they started. And what they did is they took the normal tissue, and then they did these different size molecules. So one way to determine if somebody is having some leaky gut is that let’s assume that our dung beetle here is a is a certain, whatever kill adult I don’t even know what size there but it’s like the really tiny. And so they use these molecules where they can sit there and show and what they’ll do is they’ll soak the tissue and then the dung beetle can’t get through and so just moves on. Then they soaked the tissue in inflammatory typical inflammatory cytokines, meaning the stuff that you’re going to produce with all disease, TNF alpha, interleukin beta, like all these different CRP, CRP, you know, stuff like that, so they did it specifically. And then what they showed is the dung beetle went straight through, so then they found the dung beetle on the other side. He was going around, they’re like, Uh Oh, so then they did the exact same thing with the with the blood brain barrier. And the first time they went through the blood brain barrier, blocked it, they put it in the exact same inflammatory cytokines. And it just opened right up. And then he’s had a little party.

Eric Rieger
Well the cells, maybe in two different locations, but they are very similar both in structure and function in the way that they protect what they’re there to protect. So it’s not really that surprising. And you don’t have to think that hard to understand that the blood is simply just a vehicle to spread markers all over the body in different parts of your body going to respond in different ways. There is no, to my knowledge, there is no set assignment for a marker to only go in one direction down one vessel to reach one destination. It just goes everywhere until it lands where it’s gonna land. And so that’s kind of how the brain gets affected. It’s your gut is sick. Yeah, I mean, if you’re gut is sick, chances are other parts of your body is going to be sick as well.

Ken Brown
It’s so then this kind of gets into this part. So now we’re having these discussions. Finally we’re finally seeing in the literature discussion about leaky gut leaky brain. But we’re what we’re talking about is these things cause chronic condition. And it seems to be getting worse. So I made either the mistake or a brilliant move. I think a lot of people have talked about game changers. Yeah, Game Changers the end. So I took it a step further because I was on I was on hospital this whole week. My family’s out of town. So when I had a moment, I was watching some Netflix, sitting on the toilet, you know,

Eric Rieger
texting?

Ken Brown
Texting. No. I watched what the health and I think you had told me about this years ago.

Eric Rieger
That one’s a real kick in the gut man

Ken Brown
That one. Oh, my goodness, that one’s…

Eric Rieger
That if you don’t like game changers don’t watch that one.

Ken Brown
Yeah, that’s worse. That one’s next level. And the problem is, is that it’s, there’s just an I get that all of a sudden you guys I youtubed afterwards and rebuttal after rebuttal and all this other stuff, but you know some of the stuff you’re like, Oh, no. What if I love meat!

Eric Rieger
Well, I will at least say this. I think that the game changers for the most part, the producers, and the writers probably believe a lot of what they say. I felt like what the health was just engineered to mask. I mean, I felt like they were they were bad da withholding evidence through a lot of it. It just did not. It did not pass the smell test.

Ken Brown
I could see how it could it could go around. So I had my annual doctor appointment this morning. And so it’s with its with Kevin Wilson at smart wellness now, and he’s a he’s a functional medicine practitioner. And so we were I was asking him about this. We’re going over my labs and everything and he is a strong, I guess, a paleo style. You know, autoimmune paleo style lifestyle here kind of thing. He looks great and he’s got no fat on him his and so we talked about his blood work. You know his typical diet is six eggs with ham and cheese in the morning and then some leafy greens with some grass fed meat and then have a little bit of carbs like that sweet potato with a smaller meal and we’re talking about his labs and his cholesterol is perfect and his you know, insulin levels are perfect his hemoglobin A1-C. And then so we started talking about different things. I tried the whole plant based diet but I think I did it wrong. And I went get all the the fake packaged sausage and chicken and everything and I got really inflamed. I don’t think my body went with that. Then we started talking about differences in his patients and what he’s seen and so he had two patients that went on the carnivore diet and one labs completely improved and the other one didn’t change at all. And so you just start looking at these different these different movies and stuff and you go Okay, what is let’s take a big step back, getting away from the whole thing of plant based slash veganism or carnivores slash paleo, you know, those are I guess, those are the The the diets that people will really be kind of passionate about because they’re kind of on the extremes over here and go, okay, is it possible that we’re all genetically meant to have a slightly different diet? Is it possible that you know, there’s a lot of different so like in my blood work, I’m very surprised I my LDL has crept up a little bit. Fortunately, my HDL is still real high. Yeah, my inflammatory markers are nothing. And so we’re trying to figure out well, why did your cholesterol go up a little bit? Well, I do play around with my diet a lot. I’ll go into extreme. And I think it kind of throws my body for a little bit of a loop but then it got me thinking, I started looking at different countries with the highest incidence of coronary vascular disease and, and you look and it’s, it’s Russia, Germany, it’s the US and then you come down and then there’s Spain, Italy, Japan are that are the healthiest right now is that crops is that lifestyle is that the polyphenol content, you know, I always think that it’s diets really based on the polyphenol content and then I watched Patriot Act patriot act with oh we’re gonna have to look that up Hassan the comedian.

Eric Rieger
Oh yeah the show?

Ken Brown
The show. Yeah so I think the his last show of the of the year was looking at how America is making other countries fat and it really targeted one particular company, really Coca Cola. High fructose corn syrup when they have shown that high fructose corn syrup is brought in and some of these countries like China, Mexico I’m trying to think of all these other countries but just India, country after country that starts getting exposed to this then that’s like the window to come in. And then it ends up being that you have these fast food places and stuff like that. And without a doubt everyone is definitely becoming more obese. So is it this all started. Oh, that’s all I did not know this. It’s gonna be blamed on Richard Nixon. As it turns out, yeah. When the economy dropped and he goes into explain it, obviously he’s a super smart guy. Yeah. And he’s funny, but he’s really make sense. Yeah, he was describing that Richard Nixon did that for a bunch of different reasons. And Hassan actually says that he goes, there’s a bunch of reasons here for like, economics. I won’t get into them if you want to pause it right now and write these down. But it basically goes into why richard nixon did some sort of farming subsidy to allow the increased growth of corn.

Eric Rieger
Okay, yeah.

Ken Brown
And so it was some sort of subsidies to keep the economy up and all this other stuff. And so then they had this excess of corn that then became high fructose corn syrup. It’s then as in everything,

Eric Rieger
Yeah, it is.

Ken Brown
That’s where you start. That’s I apologize earlier, when I said that the track athletes take high fructose corn syrup. They take straight fructose, which is the sugar in fruits. But once you convert corn to high fructose corn syrup, that may be the culprit. That’s what’s in all the sodas. That’s what’s in everything. You just got me thinking that if we’re over here saying our plant based it’s carnivore diet. I don’t know. But I do know that if you’re opening a package, probably like what happened to me, when I tried to do my whole vegan diet for a week where I was trying to subset I was trying to substitute every meat that I would normally have with some sort of meat substitute. I got super inflamed. Yeah, I don’t think it was toxins leaving my body,

Eric Rieger
Probably not in every instance. But it seems like if things are compounded to withstand or extend shelf life, more than likely, it’s probably not the best way to consume whatever it is you’re eating.

Ken Brown
So I’ll give everybody an update. What I’m gonna do is I’m gonna change my diet a little bit. I’m going to be actually I’ve, I just, you know, just dabble in different diets and have, you know, fun with it and go on the extreme and whatever. And so, Kevin and I talked, it’s like, okay, we’re gonna, we’re gonna put you on an actual regimen. You’re actually going to be a patient now and you’re going to like, actually do what I say. And so I had to laugh. I’m like, okay, no, I don’t really do that. We’re gonna see what happens. I mean, it’s the good news. You know, he’s got he’s got a lot of his patients where he wants to get their hemoglobin a one see below four.He doesn’t play around with that 55-56-57 range that a lot of people are happy to be in. He wants him below four. And not really even looking at body fat, stuff like that, because then what he’s looking at is inflammatory markers, sed rate CRP, different things like that. And what is really kind of interesting is that my cholesterol went up and we were trying to figure it out. And what I had been doing, which is a little bit of a curveball is you know, I do intermittent fasting. What could be and then we looked at my genetic profile, I’m a cholesterol hyper absorber genetically. So, it I may be the small subset of people that should probably have just strict three meals so that my body isn’t absorbing. Because, you know, because that first meal I’ll just rawr, yeah, sure. You know, and just ravenous don’t know, it’s just it’s another little caveat. It just gets, it gets back to the whole thing that maybe there isn’t one thing for everybody and everybody has to take a step back and maybe go see a really smart guy like that. That looks at your blood work, looked at your genetics and says, Okay, this may be better for you.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, no, maybe it does make sense. We are all very much the same, and also very, very different in all of that’s, okay. There’s another, I would throw a monkey wrench in this train of thought. But there’s even a subset of folks that talk about the natural eating should really mimic what is naturally available during the season, where you’re at, for you to optimally be absorbing the right kind of nutrients. Like if you’re eating a fruit that shouldn’t really be available that time of year that probably isn’t best for your body. I’ve not seen science behind it, but maybe there’s something to it. I’ve no idea that’s a whole nother topic, but it’s interesting because that’s how a lot of people try to figure out how to get healthier.

Ken Brown
That’s Why anytime any celebrity comes out with a cookbook, somebody’s gonna buy it or anytime some new diet is because we have not figured out exactly what the ideal diet is. And I will give what the health credit that they did show that there is lots of lobbying lots of money. To try and make sure that our US government, the FDA, the USDA, things like that, that are looking out for our best interest. Really, there’s, I was a little bit shocked to see the people that are funding some of these charities like the American diabetic Association, the American Heart Association, and Susan G. Komen. A little surprised. There’s a lot of money accepted from fast food companies and things like that.

Eric Rieger
Probably not really interested in the results. This more or less the continuation of lots of customers,

Ken Brown
Although I will say that for the right price. I could just see you and I year from now and be like, Eric, this is the new Big Mac sponsored by McDonald’s.

Eric Rieger
I don’t think so patna. I’m not going down that route.

Ken Brown
Oh, I almost died number of the time you’re telling the whole story of you were trapped when you almost died? Yeah. Your near death experience.

Eric Rieger
Oh on the run the rock.

Ken Brown
Yeah, where you almost got waved to death.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, yeah yeah that was almost the end of Marie and I for sure yeah.

Ken Brown
And I gave you my near death story of wrong turned into a McDonald’s drive through.

Eric Rieger
Yours was scarier. Yeah no i don’t i don’t see us being sponsored by McDonald’s,

Ken Brown
I want to try this if everybody gets a chance to do this number one, if you look up fasting, specifically a prolonged fast, it’s remarkably healthy for you on a cellular level. It’s not there to lose weight. It’s not there to do anything but it’s the turn yourselves on. When I’m fasting. And I’m like walking by a TV. I want to say 80% of the time it’s a food commercial. It’s Pizza hamburgers or fried chicken or something here is I’m paying attention. I’m hungry. Wow, just all the commercials visually are just coming at us with food.

Eric Rieger
What’s weird is it’s more appealing to me to learn what restaurant or eatery features are really good tasting salad with good lettuce. And I know that’s not how I thought when I was a teenager as a teenager, I wanted the fried chicken or in every stomach is fried chicken tastes great, right? I mean, it’s, it’s good. But as I’ve gotten older, and I my body doesn’t just accept anything that I put into it anymore, where I’m just happy and I’m sure a lot of our listeners feel the same. I’ve been conditioned that I want to know where I can get a great tasting meal that’s going to be healthy for me. So how long would it be until that becomes more of the norm in what the advertising gets the market is for people to gain attention because I always say that I feel like it’s going to change 15 years ago, 20 years ago, especially if you didn’t have the restaurants like modern market, unrefined bakery, taco deli, which talks nothing about except for we have all organic ingredients. For all of our tacos, but that stuff is becoming far more popular,

Ken Brown
Far more popular here, Bella green things like that.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, Bella green.

Ken Brown
Let’s go to Galveston. Let’s go to Corpus Christi. That makes it so it’s super unfortunate that there is and I think in different socio economic climates you’re the options to eat where was I that’s just south of Oklahoma took Lucas to a tournament.

Eric Rieger
Wichita? Is that right?

Ken Brown
Bob Burnett? Is that right?

Eric Rieger
Oh Burt Burnett.

Ken Brown
Burt Burnett. Yeah. I drove around trying to find something to eat that wasn’t what a burger. It was nuts.

Eric Rieger
Brahms and What-a-burger.

Ken Brown
Brahms and water burger. Yeah. So in these, you know, smaller communities that’s just not happening.

Eric Rieger
And it’s not like that there’s anything wrong with an occasional what a burger and an occasional Brahms. drive through. That’s not the point. But that can’t be your core diet. That can’t be your only core offering. And I would like to be optimistic and think okay, well, everybody else is eating great food at home when they’re not eating out, but we know the stats that’s not really at today’s people live You don’t have options like that though.

Ken Brown
Yeah. And that’s when when you see these extreme shows like that, whether it’s the plant based when you have the exact anecdotal differences where people are strict paleo and they’re in great shape and they’re, you know, they’ve their cardiac calcium scores nothing and stuff, you’re like, Okay, well wait a minute, you know, and so who knows, but it was just it got me thinking that I’m going to really try and focus a little bit harder on working on a few things be a little more disciplined and not being so reactive. Watch whatever show I’m watching and then it’s a watch Joe Rogan. We’re going carnivore, Eric.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, I love meat, but I couldn’t do that either. That would that would be really really hard. Who’s it Shaun Baker.

Ken Brown
Shaun Baker was the carnivore

Eric Rieger
And he’s all in and Jordan Peterson and his daughter to escape autoimmune issues went I think they’re almost all carnivore isn’t that right? Am i remebering that right?

Ken Brown
Yeah. I think they are. I would just be curious. You know, one of my Friends, a cardiologist, Mordecai Klein, he completely went plant based he feels like a change his diet as a as a cardiologist, one of the few cardiologist discussing that we should have him on the show to talk about it.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, I’d be interested in that. You know, I, there’s probably nothing wrong with taking a break from meat. But I just don’t think that a long term diet for success or somebody exists without meat. But that’s my opinion. I just don’t think so. Sounds really hard. If you’re taking a bunch of supplements just to make up for the nutrients that you’re not getting, or the fact that they can measure it. What is he saying you can measure a food by its certain protein content, but the difference is, plant based protein is not nearly as bioavailable as heme protein from an animal in certain instances. I mean, that’s important.

Ken Brown
And there’s all kinds of things with that. There’s what Kevin and I were talking about today. He said, If you eat raw spinach, I think the iron is 30% bioavailable and iron reproach and remember what it was but once you sautee it, it, it releases things and then it’s more bioavailable. Yeah. exact opposite of broccoli For instance, if you want sulforaphane, once you cook it, that molecule dies and that’s really super important molecule. Yeah, we’ll do a whole show on one time.

Ken Brown
Yeah probably going ot be soon.

Ken Brown
Because I’m a pretty pretty big fan of sulforaphane. So this is the the first start of the year we covered pooping on toilets while using your phone. We covered leaky brain, Melanie Avalon, new app that lets say one more time there go ahead and take a look at that. It’s called the food sense guide

Eric Rieger
Food since guide, Nani haven’t given her give her a review if you download it.

Ken Brown
Yeah, absolutely. And so I think we’re going to have some really exciting things. I think one of the things what are your goals for 2020? Regarding strictly this podcast.

Eric Rieger
Strictly this podcast, really, everyone could help with this and it’s free. Like and share, like and share. I want to see if we can grow our audience by tenfold by the time that we talked at this point a year from now.

Ken Brown
Where do they like and share it at?

Eric Rieger
You can go to KB MD health and our new website and you will see podcast it takes you from the top straight down to the middle of the page. You can like and share us at YouTube gut check project. Same thing on iTunes. And I believe that soon on the website will have the other podcast availabilities like Stitcher, etc. They’ll all be listed on there you can like and share us it all the platforms, but we just want to get the free educational word out there to people so that that hopefully there’s a resource and send your questions send your questions to us because we want to cover the topics that are meaningful to you.

Ken Brown
Where do they send the questions to?

Eric Rieger
You can go to KB MD health and go down to the podcast and you can see the form or you can send us a question and inquiry whatever whatever you want. We get we get them we get questions about CBD about polyphenols. We had several follow ups for several months ago on photo bio modulation on how do I get in touch with Dr. McKenna about stem cells. I mean, on and on. We want this to be a two way street. We can give you service as well as our topics of education. So This is your podcast as much as it is ours.

Ken Brown
We’re going to get into the I totally forgot that the in a follow up study where they showed the leaky gut leaky brain, then they soaked both of them in PEA, and CBD. And it actually decreases the ability of our little dung beetle to get through. So we do know that these natural molecules can actually help heal that inflammatory process. So there’s a we’re just going to be doing a ton of stuff on the science of CBD. Let’s make it so it’s real. So people aren’t just throwing out just random things, but we’re basing it on some studies and some science and stuff like that. I personally want to We are very fortunate. Right down the road here is UNT. And I was doing some research, I was looking at some articles, and I’m like, wait a minute that says UNT right there. Then I found out there’s a whole brain Institute of scientific research. They got an anti aging arm they get an anti inflammatory arm. They’ve got a social arm like buildings, the whole departments.

Eric Rieger
Is it UNT or UTD?

Ken Brown
UTD. I’m getting it backwards.

Eric Rieger
Okay good because that wasn’t where you sent me the other day. I wasn’t really sure.

Ken Brown
You You were you went way north. It’s right by the studio.

Eric Rieger
There’s Nobody here!

Ken Brown
So one of our patients has already volunteered to come on and talk and he’s got some cool stuff. It’s a it’s stimulating the Vegas nerve so that you can actually stop Parkinson’s. There’s stuff like this that’s going on. And one of the reasons why I think that we want to get everything out there is hope.

Eric Rieger
Yeah, people need hope.

Ken Brown
I mean, if you’re frustrated and you’re sitting there and worried about different things, there’s stuff coming. For instance, like I’m now I have to actually have my readers kind of nearby once in a while because if the lighting isn’t perfect, I’m just to that point, my sister over the holiday, Claudia, that she had some dry eye thing whatever. And her vision was going off. She went in and they put a bifocal lens in one eye. She’s had glasses. Since she was like second grade and a far vision and this one brand new lenses pow done no contacts no glasses done and read upclose and far away wow different than lasix This is actually putting a new which means she’s completely protected from cataracts from now on the rest of the life.

Eric Rieger
Yeah cuz she did the whole lens replacement.

Ken Brown
The whole lens replacement so so like when I’m looking at these glasses going oh no, here it is. I’m getting old. I’m like no, there’s hope. I’m gonna go get my lenses replaced.

Eric Rieger
Man That’s impressive. That’s pretty cool. You didn’t tell me that from before. That’s that’s good for her good for Claudia.

Ken Brown
Yeah, I actually went I surprised mom. I flew up for 24 hours in Omaha, popped in and said hi to her and we wouldn’t get her hooked up with a new computer and I got our Amazon Echo and she’s been playing music.

Eric Rieger
Well, I can share us gut check project. We wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for you. So we sincerely appreciate all of the folks and certainly all the feedback the like and shares with all your friends and family. I think 2020 is going to be a big year for us.

Ken Brown
Let’s crush this year. Let’s crush this decade claim the whole decade. Yeah, let’s just change the landscape of health everywhere. Let’s grow this community. Let’s help each other on super pumped and there’s no health topic that’s off the table if we need to have something that’s completely unrelated to gut health trust me, we want to have the expert that appeals to you on the show. Yeah. Any questions. All right. Welcome to 2020! Episode 27!

Eric Rieger
Y’all Take care. See y’all soon.